Important: Open Beta Status Announcement

[Mr Green]

4 hours ago, Arnoldex said:

 

A potem, pewnego wspaniałego dnia, w końcu zbuduję Worldbreaker Gun ponownie, umieściłem obok niego Sable Skyelfa, wyceluj i naciśnij przycisk. I posłuchaj jednego z najbardziej satysfakcjonujących dźwięków "BOOM" w historii gry. To będzie dla mnie pozdrowienie.

Mogę poczekać. Jest tego warte.

Pozdrowienia,

Tomasz

I see that you have waited a long time for this game, I am glad that I can read and write your opinions: Dear programmers (artists) do what you have to do, do not give up, keep your fingers crossed for the project and do the job and how I can do it wait a few more years.

PS:

I apologize for my English, but I have enough of his weaknesses.

 

[LeSighduck]

On 3/26/2018 at 3:16 AM, MrXLink said:

We are not going to give you any exact Open Beta completion times anymore. We will be more broad in our approach, and development timeframes will be larger.

Frankly, the fact that this decision was delayed is the most disappointing thing here. F**k the hype train: don't make promises you can't keep; it's really that simple. We're all perfectly willing to wait and have been for many years. But because it has been such a long time, any promises you make aren't going to build into hype, they're going to be instant hype bombs with just as severe disappointment if you can't deliver. Respect that we're going to be ecstatic about release entirely regardless of when that happens as long as you deliver. And if you don't think the few of us who've been chatting and lurking here for years aren't going to tell literally everyone we know that BattleForge is back, you're sorely mistaken. So forget about us. Forget about hype. Forget about community management or transparency and all your bullshit excuses. Just deliver.

[Cocofang]

I am fine with no dates and I know that delays happen. Whatever happens happens, the only stake I have in this is that I would like the opportunity to play BattleForge again.

But honestly, I am getting more worried about the general atmosphere and by the fact that some devs themselves can't keep their hype in check. What's with the

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For those still doubting us, calling this biggest Internet scam and similiar names - you will be proven wrong very soon! The derailed hype train will be back on track in no time!

in the update? Can you be more polarizing? I understand that there is passion behind the project but it just goes off the far end. People take this whole thing way too personal. And inflammatory swipes like this aren't helping anyone. Neither do I think the heartfelt apologies are having the intended effect. I would mainly just aim for a lower profile, keep it interactive and transparent but don't go overboard either way.

What kind of community do you want to foster? I see it steering towards "Us VS Them". Just a hostile environment with angry mobs that attack anyone that dares voice doubts. Do not get your ego involved. Technical issues can be resolves easier than a broken community. And let's not forget that a BIG focus should be on a welcoming and friendly community as it will most likely be relatively small and needs every active member it can get.

On a related note, the up- and down-vote system does not help it either. It discourages voicing controversial statements because of the possible retribution of red pixels and encourages just preaching with the choir creating an echo-chamber and generally a more volatile environment for discussion. Especially since it is not anonymous. It also just brands people that may have had one post that others didn't like among other neutral ones to the point where creating a new account is easier than trying to get positive standing again.

Again, at this point I am less worried about the state of the game than the state of the community from top to bottom and where it could be headed.

[Kouplex]

On 26.3.2018 at 3:16 AM, MrXLink said:

our server was running at 220% CPU capacity, ouch!

well maybe stop using ubisoft servers? xDD

[Archeon]

@Cocofang Thank you for bringing a topic worth discussing to this place!

There will always be some polarity within a community, and friction between avid fans and nay-sayers but it's true that this doesn't usually extend to include dev teams. I understand that it is frustrating to be doubted and that it can be difficult to rise above that, but it really is what must be done when you are leading a community. The role as devs/mods/any other position of power is to ensure the success of the game, which is best done by creating a good atmosphere and welcoming everyone into the fold. Ok, not everyone, there are people who take things too far and whom the majority of the community would not want to see 'welcomed' but these are exceptional cases, not simply people who question things. Trolls and others who are here to destroy the experience can (should be?) excluded, but others should be brought on board and the best way to do that is to keep heads down, carry on with the job and prove your work to them.

At the end of the day, tensions are high on all sides right now: devs are tired of being questioned, a lot of the community are sick of hearing "open beta when?", and the people desperate for open beta are exhausted from the cycles of hype and disappointment. We all need to get along here and it is everybody's job to try to make that happen. Fortunately, I do think that @Cocofang is wrong on one count, I don't believe that there is an "us vs them" culture here, or indeed close by. It is, however, something we need to be aware of because at times like this it's a slippery slope into it.

As for the second point, that is a much more real issue (or as real an issue as the colour of a dot below your forum avatar can be - #1stworldproblems) as demonstrated nicely by the posts of @LeSighduck and @Cocofang above. Both perfectly well made posts expressing valid opinions in a non-inflammatory way, but both downvoted because they aren't positive. To me a discussion forum should be for exactly that, discussion. And discussions are really, really dull when everybody agrees with one another.

Edited April 18, 2018 by Archeon

[SunWu]

32 minutes ago, Archeon said:

As for the second point, that is a much more real issue (or as real an issue as the colour of a dot below your forum avatar can be - #1stworldproblems) as demonstrated nicely by the posts of @LeSighduck and @Cocofang above. Both perfectly well made posts expressing valid opinions in a non-inflammatory way, but both downvoted because they aren't positive. To me a discussion forum should be for exactly that, discussion. And discussions are really, really dull when everybody agrees with one another.

You can disagree without getting vulgar and disrespectful. He called devs statements ,,bullshit excuses'' and tells them what to do. How is that not inflammatory? If somebody gets a red rep from me it's not because of him disagreeing with me or somebody else, it's because he lacks manners or respect.

Edited April 18, 2018 by SunWu II.

[Lotte2525]

I'm also waiting and will be very excited when there is news.
Hope, like others, that we can play soon and may.

MFG Lotte

[Archeon]

28 minutes ago, SunWu II. said:

You can disagree without getting vulgar and disrespectful. He called devs statements ,,bullshit excuses'' and tells them what to do. How is that not inflammatory? If somebody gets a red rep from me it's not because of him disagreeing with me or somebody else, it's because he lacks manners or respect.

Ok, I admit to only having ready about 2/3 of the post because walloftext  That said, I'd still call it more of an impassioned speech than pure insult slinging.

[Roaqq]

Keep it up, we will wait =)

[fiki574]

@LeSighduck Our excuses are not bullshit, other than that I'd agree with your statement.

 

[Kitsurubami]

Well from what I understand from modding multiple games, playing with code goes something like this,

so the reasons why something is delayed usually have a perfectly valid reason.  Granted it is very disappointing, but you must know that delays are especially disappointing for the team that is working on the project; because, not only do they have the disappointment of not being able to release something that they worked very hard on, but also disappointment that they have to scour the code and play whack-a-mole with even more problems while having to notify the fan-base about the delay and have to deal with people who are aggravated at them because of the delay.  So @developers, thanks for all your hard work, and sorry about all the negativity that you have to deal with. 

[Unknown]

[Treim]

46 minutes ago, Unknown said:

Great deck i only have 2 questions:

1.Why do you post that in this thread

2.How do you reach t2?

[Totylcf]

6 hours ago, Unknown said:

Firedancerrrrr!!1!! 

Edited April 24, 2018 by Totylcf
Mistake

[Navarr]

6 hours ago, Treim said:

Great deck i only have 2 questions:

1.Why do you post that in this thread

2.How do you reach t2?

Probably a booster he opened on https://allcards.skylords.eu/deck.html?d=Qm9vc3Rlcj4zMDV8MzU4fDUwNnw3NnwxMzd8MjE4fDI3NHwzNDZ8

Funnily when I checked if it was really 8 cards, I got a promo swamp drake. Guess I'm rich now

[Treim]

24 minutes ago, Navarr said:

Probably a booster he opened on https://allcards.skylords.eu/deck.html?d=Qm9vc3Rlcj4zMDV8MzU4fDUwNnw3NnwxMzd8MjE4fDI3NHwzNDZ8

Funnily when I checked if it was really 8 cards, I got a promo swamp drake. Guess I'm rich now

Oh wow you‘re actually correct about that - i didn‘t even realize but the rarities actually fall in line with that. Guess would be too much of a coincidence having 8 cards exact, a possible amount of rarities, in the exact order they would appear in a booster and a deck that otherwise makes no sense.... Thanks man, I am an idiot

Edited April 24, 2018 by Treim

[Ultrakool]

10 hours ago, Unknown said:

Nice booster, especially that third card from the left. However, this isn’t really the right thread for you to post that in. Might I suggest this thread for that?  

 

 

Please try to stay on topic in the future  

[TechGroove]

My anxiety corrodes me! Im a f**king old player and i need to make one pve stage that lasts 2 or 3 hours

[Zoidberg]

As long as it is released someday, I'm fine to wait, atleast at a game which i thought is dead for 5 years. And Boy for a dead Game it looks like promising Progress

[wertyy]

13 hours ago, Zoidberg said:

As long as it is released someday, I'm fine to wait, atleast at a game which i thought is dead for 5 years. And Boy for a dead Game it looks like promising Progress

so you are ok if it will be released in 3 years,life is too short

[Davide]

can we still play on beta?

 

[nofearek9]

no

[Tazermarks]

9 hours ago, wertyy said:

so you are ok if it will be released in 3 years,life is too short

You can live your life while waiting. It's not like you can't do anything when you wait for the game to move to open beta. That's what I've been doing since 2015 when I joined this project. I go on with my life, but keep an eye on the progress.

[Eviatar10]

to all of those who responded to my post :

first of all , i want to be clear , i never ment to judge the guys of the project and it sure wasnt my point to offense anyone , for all of you who paid attention to only the things u didnt liked in my post ,  I said it explicitly "Dont get me wrong pal , its not the programming part that i judge you guys about , no no" , i also said at the end "I want to remind you man that i still appreciate your work guys and i believe you do your best" , so for those of you who thought im just a child and im spreading hate here , think again please.

now for those who said to me : "they said they wont release another dates" , i got that , obiously i read the post and i understood , i think it should have been like this from the first place but its fine now.

i mentioned in the post that he didnt responded me , it wasnt my expectation , im sure theres others who think like me and he probably got alot of posts like mine , i just wanted to express my opinion here to see what others thinks , and it sure wasnt my goal to get attention @ferevus , more of that , you honostly think im waiting inside my room on my pc every day waiting? come on man , you cant be serious , you also think im broken hearted by that ? ^^ dont take it too serious , and read again the post , i said that the posts they upload are breaking hearts , no that im am...

@Heriox i really tried to make guys understand , i DONT think they fooled us with the dates , i guess you didnt understood my point , i just think it wasnt a good idea to public all these dates. and ill have to say it to you too , becasue you didnt paid attention to that part , like others didnt ... I APPRECIATE THEIR WORK VERY MUCH , i understand their like 3 ppl and its unbelievebly hard , they do a great job.

@Luki thanks for linking all the games that where suspended a long time ether , im sure gonna enjoy that knowledge bro , you think i care about other games ? i wanted to share my opinion about this one. i get that theres alot of delays also on big companys games , though i think its wrong to post a date after date , like i said , i think it should have been like it is now from the first place , the dates frustrates ppl.

and a tip for all of those who involved how stupid i am , and how much my things are bullshit , please grow up a bit , and open your mind for what other ppl thinks , and do not insult others opinions , because thats a way to spread hateness , and not mine , like some said...

have a good day .

 

 

 

[Ultrakool]

@Eviatar10 You say "Don't get me wrong pal" and "I want to remind you man that you still appreciate your work guys and i believe you do your best" but from others perspectives, some may find the tone of your post to be a little confrontational. I'm talking about stuff like: "this Method of you guys , is that look normal to you pal ?" is meant as a theoretical question and insinuates that since its our "method" we do it on purpose and that's not a normal thing to do. You responded to @Luki for linking all those dates of other games that you claim you dont care for, so why did you ask "Have you ever seen a game , promised to release a month after a month and consistently and repeatedly fails its fans down?" if you didn't want an answer? Seems like another theoretical question for which you purport to know the answer of, and when someone actually gives you evidence and answer to your questions, you respond negatively to that. General things like "Dont take me for a fool" has very negative connotations and also abit accusatory and confrontational like I mentioned. If you "dont think they fooled us with dates" why in your original post you said "stop making false dates"?

Overall of course in regards to the forum rules you are not breaking any, and accordingly no official action was taken, but that doesnt mean that people will not see or feel the negativity in your post and downvote or upvote based on their own opinions or beliefs of how the upvote and downvote system should be used. And thats how the system is designed. Overall, the content you shared in your post has a good sentiment to it, and in the end we did listen to that, but you could have carried the message in a better way.