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You can do that - also usefull to get charges back for netherwarp. At least in PvE i never really ran into charge problems with Shadow Mage though. That part was more of a bonus to me and pretty niche use.

Well you see, you are technically right about the fact that you get back 90% of the energy from dying units/buildings and using spells. However they are not refunded directly into your power pool but into your void pool. From there it slowly trickles back into your power pool - the more power in the void pool the more power flows back. As you can see the chance of emptying the pool that even just a bit will take quite a bit of time. That is where void manipulation such as Shrine of War or FoF+ Cultist Master (CM) kick in. Shrine of war refunds a percentage of that power in the void pool into your power pool every time an enemy dies. FoF refunds power by a low percentage of enemy units maximal Hit Points that die within a certain radius. You are right that summoned units do not generate any power by themselves, but they do have a maximal HP value which can be used by Furnace of Flesh to add power from the void pool int your actual power pool. By constantly using these methods you basically have an infinte amount of power to use as long as you constantly use power in forms of spells or abilities. That is what makes spellfocussed decks and spells in general very efficient. You loose 10% of their cost and generate the other 90% back almost instantly. I can‘t remember if the percentage of power refund of FoF was actually nerfed. They did however nerfed its synergy with Embalmers Shrine. Nonetheless it is still super good - not quite as good as Shrine of War in most scenarios, but for most decks more than enough void manipulation. I hope this helped clearing things up a bit. If it was not i can try to reframe it. Just let me know.

Well i am not a programmer. I might be wrong and it would be easy to implement the use of abilities for the AI. Afaik there is no such thing in BF yet though. So not sure if that has some kind of influence as well. I was mainly focused on t4 tbh, because that is what rPVE is all about (unless you play lvl 10 maybe). I feel like that ability would be so much of a noobstomper though. You generally want to focus down units 1 by 1 anyway and that passive ability plays right into that hand. It only really makes the game harder for the inexperienced players while everyone who knows how to play decently has a easy way around even when playing the slower factions. Also i am not sure how big of an influence that kind of ability has in t4 - i guess it depends on the numbers though. Actually Bandits would suddenly be super good against LSS spam. Like it. Do it.

The problem about giving bandit pve units such an effect is that it would probably be pretty hard to code when they would use it as those abilities are generally a lot about decision making. There is currently no AI in place for battleforge that could handle that kind of task very well, if at all. All abilities of units are generally passively applied by attacking. Bandits as player units don‘t need any buff at all, especially not damage buffs. You have access to massive damage spells like cluster explosion, Inferno and Soulshatter, good cc and support spells like Frenetic Assault, Infect, Unholy Hero and Life Weaving on top of the 2 best void manipulation cards/combos in Shrine of War AND Furnace of flesh+ Cultist Masters. As the cherry on top you have access to Bloodhorns, easily one of the best t4 units that 3-4 shot any boss with its ability( shadow affinity) and Unholy Hero. Alternatively you got the walking Artillery with Tortuguns. Bandits definetly don‘t lack firepower in PvE from the player‘s side. Pretty sure there are a couple of threads on Bandits PvP problems already in this forums. My suggestion was purely made for the AI side of Bandit PvE

rPvE banidts really just have nothing that makes them hard to deal with. A little bit of cc (Wind dragons), but nothing that goes beyond slightly bothersome, unlike Twilight. No anti spell buildings/units like LS/Twilights. No damage redcution passive ability like Stonekin. No they got lifesteal. That doesn‘t really work well if you get cc‘ed and run over though. They don‘t even do more damage compared to other factions, which would at least help making them a little bit harder to play against and would synergize fairly well with theor Lifesteal. Tbh i am not even sure they have lifesteal as PVE units simply because the ability has so little impact. Due to their lack of general cc and disables compared to other factions and they‘re mediocre damage and subpar ability they just are to easy to play against and are basically a free win at every difficulty ( even 10). Maybe turning them into a faction with massive burst damage would work and at least give them some character compared to the other factions (Stonekin - Endurance, Twilight - CC, Lost Souls - Disables/Debuffs, Bandits - Burst damage) How that kind of change could look like in detail, i don‘t know either. Maybe a point of diacussion worth exploring. Especially because i don‘t think this was discussed before at least in this forum.

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I think for some cards there is a section in the lore book you can read that stuff about. I doubt there are all of them but its a start. And if we don't even know about the rest of the card that would require someone to think those up by themselves. I doubt it is very difficult to code this into the game, just not sure it will get any priority over actual gameplay related stuff ingame anytime soon. Personally i would probably like a seperate place for that to stay, because it really is irrelevant to actual gameplay ingame and just blows up the card descriptiion which for some cards are already gigantic anyways.

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I think the original thread was created when it was announced that Battleforge would be shut down. Not exactly sure how far the OG thread came but i am pretty sure we reached 1000 posts there as well. So technically this goes on for about 5+ years 2774

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