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  1. MrXLink

    Kubik's Offer to Fix the Upgrade Tab

    This. Understandable to make that mistake, though, since I did say I want the BF balance state to be the same upon release and then start working on balance changes so the game is on vanilla balance for a reasonable time so returning players can experience the cards and such as they were before we start to improve. I never expanded this reasoning to anything beyond card/game balance. As for the original post's request, I see no reason why we shouldn't implement this. The upgrades a player has equipped are already conveyed through a card's upgrade lines, so in the rare case that someone would need to know whether they have an applied upgrade they could just look up the card instead. This is just a very straightforward QoL change that I'm more than fine with having implemented ASAP.
  2. MrXLink

    New BFP Earning System: Playtime and Reserves

    This is indeed a foreseen problem. We're not artificially supplying the market with cards anymore (aside from potentially achievements), which calls for quite a different scenario. The thing is that we're also working on making boosters that are more worth their price and give people the opportunity to narrow down the card pool to draw from a bit, which should make buying boosters more attractive than they are now. Of course, the market could be resorted to from day one, but the law of supply and demand does apply here, and I hope that with the upcoming boosters it will be more attractive to keep the supply going. Yes and no. Splitting the reserve over a week would call for a bit more of a complex system that could result in player activity becoming split apart, with some rushing the system and some never really getting to make the most out of it. Drain speed would be a difficult matter to balance around, too. As for your second remark, there are systems in discussion (e.g. achievements and map-of-the-day systems) to reward completion a bit more, whether that's in the form of BFP, cards, gold, XP, or whatever else... What I do like to point out though is that if this happens, there will not be any repeatable quests for BFP or cards. I don't think having speedrunning shenanigans dominate BFP gain on a daily basis is the way to go, and is especially unfair for less skilled players and those with less time on their hands. So if we were to award BFP/cards for milestones and map completion, it would end up being a one-off reward, nothing that can be easily repeatable. Multiaccounting is also a major concern for this. First off, while progression has been slowed down (and we still may tweak values there for sure), there will also soon be ways to be more specified about what cards can be earned through the introduction of some different kinds of boosters. In a discussion I have had with @MephistoRoss earlier some PvP solutions involving this came to mind. The PvP case has always been sensitive and difficult, and I'm trying to account for this as much as possible when it comes to the global effects of progression. Yes, BFP might end up being earned slower, but there is also no hard wall to face anymore after 30 minutes, through which it is possible to keep earning BFP. That in combination with some more options to get the cards you need more easily should benefit PvP, or at least enough to keep it somewhat in balance if it doesn't improve it already. Awarding boosters for repeatedly completing quests is already a thing, and we want to keep this system in as well and potentially tweak how far it goes so it does not become an impossible feat for those who have been around for a while. So, that's also something we're having a look at. That is the general consensus right now. As for splitting PvP completely apart from the rest of the game, this is a much bigger issue that has been around for the longest time, and isn't as straightforward to do as you think, especially with a community of this size. I'm not saying I'm not considering to figure PvP servers out, but I'm still genuinely concerned about how it would affect general progression and server population if we were just going to make a hard division for everyone. Some will enjoy building a PvP deck from the cards they have and use it, see how far they can get in ranked... others want to have all cards unlocked so they can play PvP on high level, and yet at the same time PvP as it stands is already low on population, so I'm not sure whether this division would be the best idea. Cross-progression on PvP leaderboards etc. would also be a pain. All in all not impossible though, and please let it be known that I am not leaving the idea of PvP servers behind. Right now, though, I hope that the increased flexibility and possibility to earn more specific cards will make PvP farming in the current way a bit more bearable. As stated above, boosters will still be awarded, but through the achievement system. Also, boosters should become more attractive to purchase soon, perhaps they will be worth their price now that you can somewhat regulate what kind of cards you'll get. This should also help the market, and if supply is low, it could be easier to get more specific cards to meet the demands through these boosters. I completely agree with you that positive and negative feedback is very much needed and are highly important (arguably the negative feedback even more so than the positive). Crucial and critical thinking is highly important, but Kubik's case has its roots a little deeper than that, and this is a repetition of undersubstantiated commentary that is inherently negative for reasons beyond the system itself. Though I don't think this should be taken to a public level, be assured that his point has been clear for months, I do take that into account like any other critical opinion. With the numbers comes a lot of responsibility, and it requires an objective eye, which in this case it hasn't. Either way, long story, not worthy nor appropriate to discuss, and I apologise if my response seemed overly snappy. I can assure you that criticism in any way, no matter how positive or negative, is of value will be kept in mind for future tweaking and development.
  3. MrXLink

    New BFP Earning System: Playtime and Reserves

    Friendly reminder that the post itself actually states that all values are subject to change, and even points out that the daily playtime is probably the most inconsistent value in the current system. These current values are implemented as baseline and flexible values to get an idea of the system's structure. I'd recommend to focus on that, rather than the currently implemented values. That also goes for you, Kubik, your negativity is quite unnecessary and uncalled for. @RadicalX I'd like to thank you for your very helpful and constructive feedback, especially the constructiveness of it and your sound reasoning. As stated, none of the values are final whatsoever, and I definitely intend on lowering the daily playtime. Your proposed changes are very reasonable, and I am definitely taking them into consideration. The "save up your daily boost if you miss a day" system you propose is most intriguing and has also definitely sparked my interest.
  4. MrXLink

    New BFP Earning System: Playtime and Reserves

    BFP earning speed was at a pretty high level before, and we would like to tone down BFP after dailies from 1.5 boosters more to 1 booster + any excess playtime BFP from the reserve system. So yes, it's meant to be a bit longer. 90 minutes is on the long end, I agree, and it's probably the most dodgy var in there right now. However, the values are not definite whatsoever. Big chance we decide to revise the 90 minutes and crank it down to 60 or something like that.
  5. WHOAH, WHAT A TEXT WALL -- THERE IS A TL;DR AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS POST IF YOU FEEL LESS LIKE READING Greetings Skylords, Skyladies, and all other Skyfolk! It's been a while since the last Design update, there's been a lot going on both in the development scene as well as our outside lives, and it's slowed down progress for a while. Not to fret, though, as progress is back on track now, and the well-anticipated reset is closer than ever. Really close. Once the reset happens, though, we want to make sure to make the remaining big changes that would impact global player-to-player progression and the economy, and that can only mean two things... BFP and Boosters. In this post, we'll discuss the new BFP system that is currently implemented on the Test Server (check Discord for details), with some booster changes getting a post of their own as well soon. I'll be going into some details about the system, if that's not your thing, feel free to check out the TL;DR below. The Current Situation As most of you know by now, the current BFP earning system entails daily quests and daily playtime. You get some generic quests that need to be completed, can be re-rolled, and grant you some BFP, and the daily quest of playing for 30 minutes to get a booster. This means that after completing said quests and playtime, there is no BFP left to be earned, and Skylords will encounter themselves a wall on generating income to buy boosters from and do auctioning business. This is exactly what we will be addressing in this update. The ideas for BFP-over-time earning have been going on since 2014, to have a soft-cap system on playtime, meaning earning less and less BFP the more you play, but earning some BFP nonetheless. Since the 30m playtime quest has always been a placeholder for a system like that, this is what we will be changing, and the daily quests will stay for a total of 250BFP daily. The Approach BFP is a regulated currency. This means that BFP should be able to be earned regardless of player performance, and the rate at which it is roughly earned per player, especially maximums, can be changed in order to keep player-to-player interactions and the market stable. Therefore, a system needed to be put in place that's not about earning more BFP for higher skilled players, so that on a daily basis, newcomers and veterans alike would have roughly the same opportunities to earn daily assigned BFP. When comparing different player types and reward integrations, the only consistent factor across every single player is TIME. Yes, some have more time than others, but time itself is the only constant that we can equally distribute BFP over regardless of player skill, completion speed, game type preference (PvP/PvE) or general experience. This is why, as a regulated currency, BFP will be linked to part time, part daily quests that are generic and should be able to be completed by any level of player. While the 30m quest was more of a baseline placeholder, the importance of the regulation of BFP over time has become more clear over the months/years, and it makes it all the more understandable why modern game currency systems use hard- or soft-cap systems as well as daily boosts to allow for a fair BFP-over-time distribution: A HARD-CAP system would mean that either the total BFP to be earned per day would be a flat value (e.g. 500 BFP/day), or the BFP-over-time value would be flat (e.g. 2 BFP/minute) A SOFT-CAP system would entail that the amount of BFP earned over time would steadily decrease according to a total BFP-per-day value, be it logarithmic or inversely proportional. As an example, if we would have a soft-cap of 400 BFP per day, then you as a player would earn 200 BFP in the first hour, then 100 BFP in the second, 50 in the third, etc. etc. until the amount of BFP earned per hour is negligible or rounded to 1. A DAILY BOOST system can be applied to any kind of BFP-over-time system, in which the first X minutes, players would earn e.g. 5x as much BFP as they would on normal terms. This is to give players with shorter allotted playtime a bit of a boost to catch up with those with more time faster, and get a reasonable income without having to spend a lot of in-game time. Of course, those who play longer would still get awarded more BFP, but at a slower rate than this first timeframe. Since we've got no way nor right to make any kind of money on this project, there is no need for us to crank down on caps just to force people to buy currency or to play more. However, this system will help to keep players engaged, make progression interesting and fun, and extend the lifespan of the project, which should mean you'll have more people to play with for longer. For this system I really wanted to focus on improving a traditional soft-cap system so that it can give all player types a chance to keep up with the overall BFP flow. While we'll never be able to close the gap between players with a lot of playtime or auctions and those who don't, we could try to allow players with less time on their hands to still earn a significant portion of the BFP they could have had if they spent their time playing full-time, but without changing the global elapsed time, so that one strategy would not be real-time more efficient than another. Simply put: we give you the opportunity to take breaks, go sleep, go to school/work, or play something else, to get a boost to your BFP income when you come back later, matching you to those who have played more time, quicker. It'll be your choice if you want to optimise your BFP income; you're free to continue playing the game you love, but we won't weigh you down with the feeling of regret or missing out on BFP either if you can't or don't want to for a bit that day. I then turned this thought process into a system we decided to implement for the future. The System The new system is designed to benefit long- and short-session players alike, and to narrow the gap between them without penalising either side. To do this, the system is split up in two timeframes: The Daily Boost: The first 90m of in-game time will net you 250 BFP in total, divided directly proportionally to playtime. This means you'll earn 2.78 BFP per minute for the first 90 minutes. This is akin to the current 30m quest, except paid out by the minute over a longer time. Quests+daily should be enough to purchase a default booster. The Reserve System: Any time played after the daily boost will drain BFP from a "pool" of BFP that every player has, called the reserve. This reserve has a maximum value, and refills continuously at a constant rate. The fuller your reserve is, the faster you will earn BFP. You can not earn more BFP than your current reserve value, and so when your reserve is empty, you will earn BFP at roughly the refill rate of your reserve. Note: Any values in these systems are subject to change, and may change pre- or post-reset. Whereas the daily boost should seem pretty straightforward, the Reserve System might be a little more complex to figure out, so I'll try my best to go into the details here, step-by-step. First of all, here's a WIP image from back in the conceptualisation stage of the system, with some older values: A METAPHOR: See the reserve as a bottle of water that's full of holes, from top to bottom. For safety, you keep all holes covered while you've not finished a match. When you play, you remove the cover and collect water from the reserve bottle. When it's full, water drains out of all the holes in the bottle, allowing you to catch a lot of it at the same time. As the bottle drains, less and less holes will have water behind them, and so the bottle will drain at increasingly slower speeds the more empty it is. While your bottle is covered (before you finish a match and after), you slowly refill the bottle with a tap, so if your bottle is empty, you will still get the water that you've been dripping into it while you were playing or perhaps taking a break throughout the next games. You leave the tap on even if you leave the game for other matters, so that your bottle is fuller or filled the next time you come back. What all of this means, is that after your daily boost/bonus, you will earn BFP at a rate that decreases the longer you play. However, if you decide to take a break and come back a few hours later, the rate will NOT be the same rate you would have had if you were to continue playing directly, but higher in order to compensate for the break. If you were to continue playing instead, you could earn the same amount of BFP across a similar total amount of time. Player A who plays for 6h straight could, with the appropriate values, be matched in BFP earnings by player B who plays 2h, takes a 2h break, and then plays 2h after, as a rough example. The limiting factor here is the max reserve value. Everyone has the same reserve size and the same drain system and the same refill rate, so the total amount of BFP to be able to be earned across a certain amount of time is set. The only moment when a player would be missing out on BFP is when the reserve is full, which happens when "too long" of a break has been taken. To summarise, this system takes the following into account: No difference is made between newcomers and veterans, nor PvP and PvE BFP will be continuously able to be earned even after the daily bonus has been reached Those with less time on their hands can narrow the gap through the daily bonus Those who return at a later timeframe that day, e.g. after work, school, dinner, or other appointments, can catch up with those who play continuously Players will not have to worry as much about missing out on playtime, and those who have the time get duly rewarded Only highly excessive breaks will miss out on some advantages this system offers, but no less than a normal linear system would Further Details For Nerds Reached this point, huh? I'm more than happy to disclose the formula to this system, though it won't be as complex as you may expect. They are pretty basic, but worth a look nonetheless. Be wary though that none of the values in the formula are final and we will use the test server as well as some live time to tweak the system over time, mostly based around the data we see and the feedback we get. These are very rough vars, don't put too much thought into them. Conclusion I wholeheartedly hope that this system will be a good and worthy replacement of the current 30m quest, and a good alternative to a traditional soft-cap system. The system is meant to apply to everyone at a fair rate, and to give you a more relaxed feeling about earning BFP without hitting a hard no-BFP wall and without having to worry too much about taking breaks or doing other things between sessions. We've all got busy lives, and there's no need to add a fear of missing out on top of that. Besides, the payout should be pretty good compared to the booster prices which we will likely standardise to 500BFP. It won't be as high as it currently is, but the experience earning it will improve significantly, or so is the expectation. The system is currently implemented on the Test Server, you can test it out for yourself there. Feel free to give some feedback, and we will make sure to collect some data too to ensure this works. Keep in mind that as it stands, unless something is extremely wrong or goes completely out of hand, the current formula will stay and carry over throughout the reset. The values of the variables in the formula may change over time, and that can even be post-reset. We'd love to hear your feedback, and hopefully this new system of earning BFP will make all of your Skylords Reborn experiences that much better! --------- TL;DR -- The Short Version A new system to earn BFP will be coming soon, and has already been published on our Test Server for crash/bugtesting and to get an idea of everyone's experience. This system replaces the current "Daily Dose of Heroism" quest of playing for 30 minutes. Other quests are unaffected, will stay, and will net 250/day in total. It is a BFP-Over-Time system with the first few matches netting much more BFP than any matches after. Currently, for the first 90 minutes of in-game time, you can earn 250 BFP. This is awarded by the minute, so you do not have to play the full 90m to get anything! Afterwards, a Reserve System kicks in: A maximum amount (currently 500) of BFP is stored that you can earn BFP from by playing matches. The speed at which you gain BFP depends on how full your reserve is, and the reserve gets refilled constantly at a set rate (even outside the game). This results in players getting their BFP faster after they have taken a break, but not any more than they could have earned if they didn't. This system is implemented to make zero distinguishing factors between newcomers and veterans, or PvP and PvE alike, and gives a lower sense of urgency, time pressure, or fear of missing out on points, benefiting those who don't have as much time, want/need to take breaks, have to work, etc. We will test this on the test server, the system will likely not change, the values can be tweaked even post-reset. Feel free to give feedback, and I hope the system will make playing more meaningful and less stressful for everyone! Hang in there, Skyfolk! We're getting closer!
  6. please i want play battleforge again...


  7. Let's all not get too heated up about this and chill for a moment. First of all, let's establish this: Yes, we enforce our policies. I'm not entirely sure how this is striking the OP so much, but we have different departments handling different situations. When it is this apparent that we are focused on keeping the game environment as safe and healthy as we can, and the rules are referred to often, it should be notable that definitely not all workforce is focused around this, and dedicated developers are working on improving the game as we gather more data from players. If it wasn't clear so far, Skylords Reborn is in an Open Stress Test (Beta) state right now. What this means is that although features and gameplay are present, in-game bugs (such as disconnects) may occur, and we are using the game this way to gather data on when such problems arise, how frequent and conditional these issues are, and how we can tackle them before going into a more "stable" state of the game. This is literally the main purpose of a Beta; to stress test the server and to iron out bugs that we either missed before, haven't been able to tackle yet, or require more data from more players to figure out. That doesn't mean the game environment is lawless either, and rules will still be enforced accordingly. We wouldn't want an abusive game with nothing but toxicity, insults, disrespect and trash talking going around, now would we? This is an environment with potentially unstable behaviour and regular rule enforcement. You, as a player, were completely aware of this when you signed up on the forums and installed the game, and therefore I am sorry to say I see zero justification for the reasoning behind your anger. Complaining and shouting will really not get you anywhere; it won't make us work better or faster, it won't improve the game, and it won't help you out with your problems either. Luckily we have a great alternative for you that will actually be productive for the game and hopefully rid you of those pesky disconnects soon enough: whenever you do encounter a problem in-game, head to the forums or discord and report your issue to the team, sending your logs, all while maintaining a civil attitude. Now that might be a hassle, but it is certainly more productive than registering senseless complaints, and it can help all of us on the long run, including yourself. Win-win. Make bug reports, not war.
  8. MrXLink

    Suggestion His/Her -> Their

    While @Kiwi and @Ultrakool properly explained the reasoning behind the moderation actions taken in this discussion, I would like to add to the reason as to why gender-neutral pronouns are pretty much nonexistent in this game. Keep in mind that we are by no means the original developers of BattleForge, and we have written none of the text within the game (excluding some new feature text and the news section). BattleForge was released over a decade ago, and development started even further down in history by the inherently German EA Phenomic development studio. It may seem to not have been so long ago, but 2009 was a vastly different time when it comes to the public awareness, attention and consideration of gender-, social- and personal identification in society. Sad as it is, back then the widespread consideration of gender-neutrality used in the English language just wasn't as present as it is and should be nowadays, let alone when it needs to be localised by a small, arguably under-budgeted and non-English development team. BattleForge really isn't what we'd call a well-translated game and there are a vast multitude of spelling, grammatical and stylistic mistakes in the English localisation that arose from a simple lack of English expertise within the translations from German. I don't blame Phenomic for this, EA would be another matter, but that's not relevant right now. Of course, this is not an excuse for the in-game text to be the way it is; it's already often frustrating to read due to translation errors and typos alone, even without considering the importance of gender-fluidity and its representation within media. Considering every bit of text is directly imported from a time where social media was only just starting to take off, public exposure was only a fraction of what it is today, and careful translation, localisation and representation was an absolutely underwhelming supported development aspect by publishers and studios alike (again, sadly), it's not at all uncommon to see texts phrased this way, especially for Phenomic's size at the time. Non-diverse and inconsiderate as it is, especially by today's standards, this is the reason why the in-game text is hard to read from time to time. Though we do acknowledge this point and will for sure take it into consideration further down the development road, it is by no means something that we should currently divert current workforce to that could be of use to work towards a stable release build of the game. However, we're all for inclusiveness here at the SR team and when we get to it, we will surely look into making the game more accessible, inclusive and abiding by contemporary representation standards, as it should be! Regarding the whole feud that broke out here... I do apologise for not addressing this earlier aside from having comments removed that were very clearly in conflict with Rule 1. I get that this is a highly sensitive subject and all that, and both ends of the argument going on here have strong opinions, but there's really no need to pressure or accuse one another of anything. I'm confident that matters like these should be able to be discussed on our forums, provided that it's done in a civil and respectful manner where nobody has to feel targeted or pressured. Clearly this does not seem to be the case in this thread, which has only turned the discussion sour. I would therefore also ask you all to continue this conversation in DM if you feel like it needs to be addressed further among each other. Under no circumstance should this or any other suggestion discussions be dismissed as insignificant, unimportant or trivial; leave the development priority to the team here. There's a reason we're open for suggestions and every single suggestion is free to be posted around here. The importance thereof to you personally should be no reason to dismiss a suggestion in the first place. Try to be considerate of this in the future, remain civil, respect the viewpoint and suggestion in the first place, and take some time to evaluate your post before hitting that reply button; there really never is a need to cause an uproar, to blame, target or publicly denounce.
  9. DETAILED DESCRIPTION ON WHAT THIS POLL IS ABOUT, ITS IMPORTANCE AND ITS REASON: Just to elaborate on this discussion in general, we are currently NOT looking at how you're going to earn BFP specifically, that's something that's already in the making for the future and will involve the opportunity for every player to at least earn some BFP when it comes to their preferred game mode. We will always strive for creating a progression system in which we both promote varied gameplay and show all of the game's options and potential, while not forcing players to do so by nullifying their BFP gain otherwise. We'll make sure that regardless of your quests, you will always have the option to gain a substantial amount of the max daily BFP you can get in the way you prefer to. This discussion is meant to get a general overview of what you, the community, think should be the main sources of BFP income in as general a way as possible. This is of huge influence to the game as it not only dictates the overall progression, but it also essentially controls the market and defines which players become dominant when it comes to personal wealth. It is important to know the following when considering your vote: Be reminded that we currently have two currencies in Skylords Reborn Gold, a non-tradable, farmable currency that is fully player-controlled and gained based on skill, victory and to an extent playtime BFP, a tradable, highly influential currency that is regulated and defines the overall progression and rate of access to game content across the entire community Regulation of BFP is important as it will prevent players with e.g. more time on their hands to get too far ahead of others, or could establish hardcore dominance over casual players when it comes to the Auction House or even general card trade. Since we have no set prices for cards and want to establish a free market (it's an enjoyable feature of the game!), BFP gain is an extremely sensitive subject. If you establish a system in which victories and hard game mode completion reward more BFP, you essentially divide the community rapidly between veterans/high-skill players/exploiters and casual/busy/infrequent players. Not only does this happen sooner than you may anticipate, but it can also lead to a sense of unfairness, inequality and a lack of control caused by real-life factors players have no say in (such as schedules, work, personal capabilities, and so on). Of course it's not fair to assume that everyone's entire game should progress at the same rate; if you're skilled you can expect increased progression over others, and this is currently already done through gold and potentially through prestige/NG+ possibilities in the future (a topic for another day), and the big issue in this debate is whether to carry that power on through BFP. Just be reminded that BFP is the single most influential factor within the entire game and can tip the game environment over with even the slightest of changes. The originally proposed and still greatly considered way to earn BFP was by introducing a combination of quests and playtime rewards, with a soft-cap system implemented. This would mean that players could gain BFP just for playing matches and get even more BFP for completing quests, and would not leave those with more time and/or effort in their games feel left out (also preventing some farming abuse). A soft-cap would mean that for a relatively low amount of playtime per day, players could gain a relatively big amount of BFP, and once this time threshold had been met these rewards would decrease, but not diminish. This gives low-time players a good BFP income without having to worry they miss out on too much extra BFP for not having time, yet those with more time would not be left in the dark and still gain some amount of BFP. This way, BFP would be well-regulated and the system would not be too sensitive to potential manipulation, control and market dominance. The system would not benefit from victories (gold would anyway), so that especially in the PvP sector of the game it would not be demotivating to lose games and you will not be punished for playing badly when it comes to the primary way of acquiring game content. A small victory bonus could be provided (though not the original plan), but was not meant to be significant enough to establish a winner-controlled economy. Be wary that this system is still a highly viable option and is still under serious consideration! This poll, however, goes in a different direction to hypothetically establish what would be the player's views on a different scenario. <<<General Info ends here, opinion ahead>>> My personal opinion on all this has been complex and established throughout months if not years of thought about the game's core economy and progression systems and my general game design knowledge, so I can't honestly write my full thoughts down here, but in really summarised terms, I believe that BFP should be the factor that defines the rate and intensity of the dispersion of power between player types. To put it simply; BFP defines how much power to control the game players have and how big the gaps between newcomers, casuals, hardcores, low-time and high-time players are when it comes to this. I'm of mind that every player should have as fair and as equal an opportunity to be a part of this and to keep the game going on enjoyably as possible. A casual player that works from 9 to 5 and can only play for a short amount of time each day/week should still be able to gain a good amount of BFP, keep up with the general speed of other players, and partake in a free and fluid trading environment. Similarly, I wholeheartedly believe that nobody should feel like they're being hindered when it comes to BFP gain by losses or simply not managing to complete a map or fighting a stronger opponent, and so I think that BFP gain should not be influenced by this. I do believe that completing harder maps and winning games should be rewarded, and what is mostly overlooked is that this is already happening in the form of gold and upgrades, which even allows skilled players to quickly get ahead of their game and progress faster on their own accord, without massively impacting other players due to the non-trade nature of gold and upgrades, unlike BFP, which would have a bigger, more direct impact on everyone else. Therefore I'm advocating for the original system that has been proposed and thought through years ago (see above), in which as little players as possible should feel left behind, casuals have a good chance to catch up or stay within their game, hardcores/high-time players still can get some sort of an edge if they would want to, and the currency flow can be more easily regulated must the situation get out of hand. Though I would find a small victory bonus acceptable middle-ground terms, I do generally not recommend it. This doesn't mean I don't want to reward skilled players, I just sincerely believe they already are rewarded and it is not necessary to pose a risk for the already sensitive BFP system. Similarly, leaderboard rewards could also widen this gap, and while I'm not as sceptical about this due to the fixed time in which leaderboard rewards would be handed out (e.g. every month), leaderboard accuracy is currently at risk if we want to implement frequent (balancing) patches in the future, and I don't think it's a good idea to hand out rewards to leaderboard entries that might be based on exploits or serious balancing concerns. This is a different, more complex situation I do not currently feel safe about involving in a process as influential as BFP gain. I strive for quests that are achievable by everyone if they want to and promote variety in-game, and I do by no means want playtime and quests to be the same thing; playtime should be a separate BFP track and quests should too. Having quests renew/stack daily would in my opinion be beneficial to maintain a healthy, more active playerbase with more games open and a generally better experience with less risk of the game dying out after weeklies have been fulfilled, and it will not be detrimental to frequent but low-time players. I hope you can take this information and these thoughts in mind when you vote, and be reminded that this poll is by no means binding and will just give us some insights on the other side of the BFP-coin for now. Thank you so much for taking the effort to read this and we look forward to seeing what you think.
  10. MrXLink


    This issue got resolved in PM, C++ redists were missing
  11. MrXLink

    Current Proposal: PvP Rewards (AOT rPvE)

    I'm just looking at the response in general. Radical already upvoted the post in approval. Looks to me like we can implement this soon though.
  12. MrXLink

    Current Proposal: PvP Rewards (AOT rPvE)

    It has been months now, and I want to apologise for not having had the time to tackle and implement this feedback as extensively as I'd want to. I feel like I may be a little too rough on the abuse factor of rewards in a game mode that is not straightforwardly farm-able and requires a lot of setup. The point @RadicalX makes about the 50% winrate is admittedly a huge oversight that has significant impact on the actual GPM values that would come out of this, let alone the longer queue times. However, we can't factor in queue times that much due to the current server population holding back until the wipe, so I generally hope that through these measures we're going to get some more PvP popularity in general. I was sceptical at first about Radical's idea for the higher losing values but I can understand where he's coming from, and I do believe that while this makes things easily more prone to abuse, I think it's only fair to give this system a chance as it's way fairer on your average user. Though I would personally consider this to be a bit high on the loss end for players as opposed to gaining absolutely zero for failing any rPvE, despite the fail frequency being way lower there, I think it may weigh out to make PvP more appealing, which is a general priority here. Therefore I would be willing to adopt the formula @RadicalX stated as it's pretty much in tone with the rest of the game modes (after running some calculations based on fairer, more comparable W/L rates and queue times). I do, however, still want to add to the reward for climbing the steep slope that is PvP to make it more appealing in a less bland way than to add flat rates. I have an idea of rewarding consecutive Ranked wins and possibly an incentive to keep playing PvP without turning it into a farmfest (which is still my biggest concern and a threat to PvP enjoyability), along the lines of gaining a gold multiplier on Ranked after each win, that would help the PvP community to farm up a bit better without making it directly easier than rPvE, which we can agree on should be the main go-to for farming (or speedrunning Guns of Lyr, the likes of EA-era PtD and Conversion I suppose). Without establishing a ton of dominance for high-level PvP players and/or smurf potential, there could also be a slight gold bonus for having a comeback after X losses (thus making up for lost gold bonuses). This would be a different way of stimulating repeated PvP play without simply increasing the flat gold rates or formula. An example would be to gain +3% gold after each consecutive victory, but a comeback after min. 3 losses may net a +5% gold bonus per previous loss. There would of course me maximum values to this. This way winners and losers do gain a good amount of bonus gold if they do well or manage to come back from a tight spot without it being too prone to abuse. 50/50 players would not be penalised as opposed to comebacks or streaks all that much, rPvE would not siphon unwilling players to PvP and I think this system would be a good motivator. This also incorporates @Kubik's idea of supporting constantly winning players and helping hardcore PvP players to boost their decks ever so slightly more, all without making PvP too appealing for mindless grinding, but appealing enough for variety. Example data below: I am currently aware of the possibility that Streak and Comeback bonuses could theoretically be abused by stalling a match, but I do believe stalling a PvP match would put the player at risk of being beaten in the process, and with the max time for earning gold being in place, this stalling would be a risky but not really abusive practice. With these ideas up and going for implementation, the final changes would look as follows: Increase base ranked PvP gold for victories by 20% (250 > 300) Change the gold-over-time formula for PvP matches to bring win and loss values closer together Maximum time win gold increased to 3500 (up from 1350) Maximum time loss gold increased to 1800 (up from 500) This means loss and win scaling are now 88% apart as opposed to the original 175% Sparring Grounds will now grant 33% of the gold Ranked PvP would earn, after a set time has elapsed in a match (likely more than 2m) Ranked PvP matches may benefit from a win streak and comeback system For every consecutive victory, gain a +3% gold bonus, stacking up to a max of 15% For every consecutive loss, gain a +5% gold bonus applying to your next victory, stacking up to a max of 25% Hopefully, these changes will make PvP significantly more attractive. Please feel free to give further input on these proposed changes, sorry again for the delay, and thanks a lot to @RadicalX for bringing the ongoing issues to light, so that they are ironed out before implementation.
  13. MrXLink

    Solo/Duo/Trio All-Time fastest speedrun rankings

    The reason accumulative time isn't a thing is because, among other reasons, one can then simply idle a 1-player map for half an hour and get the rest of their wins by having a friend surrender in PvP for example. There needs to be some sort of system in place that prevents abuse like that and ensures people spend sufficient time in-game, and I am fully aware that that is currently affecting speedruns. While currently the best solution is to pick a map that lasts slightly longer, or try out some new cards or strategies in your daily GoL grinding, I'll look into a solution here. Perhaps a win can count if it's over the fastest speedrun time recorded, that would at least have this affect a lot less speedrunners, but indirectly then penalises whoever beats the fastest run by a single win on your daily. Obviously "punishing" the best is not something we aim to do, but accumulative time is sadly a high-risk system that I really want to avoid and have rejected on multiple occasions.
  14. Greetings Skylords, Skyladies, and other Skythings! After some time and several iterations of the gold reward system, I feel like overall rewards feel like they are in the right place. rPvE and to a degree cPvE rewards feel progressive and most players seem to enjoy the current boosted flow of gold to upgrade and charge their cards. However, there has been one difficult aspect of the game that has been far behind on this income and kind of feels like the younger, neglected brother of the BF gamemode family: PvP, specifically Ranked PvP. There have been many requests and some threads regarding the gold rewards for Ranked PvP as it stands, and that they are considered to be far too low. Why haven't we touched this before? It's because PvP is always an extra sensitive subject when it comes to game economy, as the game is fully in the hands of two players, and therefore more susceptible to feelings of rage, unfairness or abuse. Specifically the latter, abuse, is something to take very seriously, as we don't want PvP, especially Ranked, to be swarmed with players that don't care or throw for the sake of a better reward. The Ranked PvP income has therefore always been kept relatively low, despite already gaining a 200-400% bonus compared to the original BattleForge. I understand this is tough, and that the PvP community feels forced to play PvE or trade in order to get their decks set up and working. While it's a great thing to stimulate hardcore PvP or PvE players to play a different mode every now and then, the gap between rPvE (the main source of income for the majority of players) and PvP was enormous, with rPvE lv. 9 netting more than double the rewards Ranked PvP victories would give, with rPvE lv. 10 clocking in at about 2.75x as much and solo cPvE Expert Victories at nearly 4x on average (if all upgrades go to the same player). Note, however, that despite cPvE being grossly out of proportion with other game modes if soloed and speedran, cPvE feels like it's in a good spot when it comes to earning gold and upgrades as compared to rPvE in the original BF, and we would like to keep it the way it is regardless of its exploit potential for skilled players. This also has to do with the way we set up Loot Lists as per community poll request. Regardless, it sure shows that PvP, both ranked and unranked (which makes no gold at the moment), are not worth it for gold farming. It's time to change that. With your suggestions and worries regarding this subject, I decided to run some further calculations. While the calculation for PvP rewards is not as straightforward as it would seem, after some thought and many, MANY comparisons to rPvE lv. 9 (the most played gold-rushing rPvE level) and 10 (the most profitable rPvE level), I've come to figuring out some values that would be more in line with other game modes. You can review some of the thought processes behind this in my post in one of the PvP reward suggestion threads: After running some comparisons with altered rewards, I feel like the following changes will help PvP be a more viable option for those who wish to earn some gold without having to resort to PvE grinding. Additionally, I am putting some faith in you, the community, to open up some more possibilities to earn gold without having to enter the scary realm of Ranked play, which will hopefully prevent future abuse. Also keep in mind that reward/system abuse and AFK/"just kill me" matches are considered to be report-worthy offenses and you can help keep the community safe and fair by using the in-game /report tool to notify us. Without further ado, the following changes are proposed for Ranked PvP and Unranked PvP (Sparring Grounds): Increase average Ranked PvP rewards for wins from 72 Gold Per Minute to 125 Gold Per Minute Increase average Ranked PvP rewards for losses from to 27 Gold Per Minute to 35 Gold Per Minute Sparring Grounds will now earn gold equal to 33% of ranked rewards after a set time has been played These changes will make PvP victories 7x as profitable as they were in the original BattleForge, and will make sure to narrow the gap between it and rPvE. There are more factors to PvP gold rewards than a simple Gold Per Minute ratio, but for the sake of clarity these have been left out for now. rPvE9 victories will now comparatively only be about 16% more profitable (currently 102%), and rPvE10 victories will respectively be 52% more profitable in gold (currently 172%). Yes, this does mean that rPvE is still slightly better to go for, but keep in mind that this is initially what rPvE was made for and will prevent Ranked PvP from becoming dominant in gold rushing, which would be detrimental to match quality. Also, rPvE losses will grant no gold at all, whereas PvP losses will give some gold. Sparring Grounds will now also reward some gold, so you don't have to feel obliged to play Ranked if you still want to earn some gold for your training and PvP pursuits! Beware that these changes are not live yet and won't necessarily be final, but let me know what you think, and hopefully this will help breathe some life and motivation into the PvP sector of the game again! I am thinking of implementing this in the upcoming few days or so, and your reaction would be appreciated!
  15. MrXLink

    pvpPlayerMatter Pls make pvp reward higher

    The major problem with PvP rewards is their sheer vulnerability to abuse (e.g. AFK, doing nothing, partying up and surrendering). There's a good reason that Unranked does not yield rewards, as this would simply lead to people actively AFKing just to extend PvP matches and get their gold. In this case we deem an environment with less abuse and less wasted games to people who are actually serious more important than a substantial gold gain. However, with the current apparent ease of farming considering all you need to do anything in rPvE is to have a Lost Spirit Ship, I understand that PvP doesn't stand up to the fight whatsoever. Admittedly, BattleForge is not a well-balanced game difficulty-over-reward-wise. Conversion rates for cPvE have been outrageous in the old game (yet to this day I hear complaints about cPvE not being rewarding enough, but I digress) and so was rPvE farming, let alone PvP was utterly useless back in the day for farming as well. Considering the calculations I made are vastly based on token conversion, the current rates do reflect EA's original ratios and even there I have already manipulated PvP rewards to be more fruitful, by about 100% on a loss and 200% on a victory (roughly and very simplified), which in game design terminology is easily a huge shift and means rewards are doubled for losses and quadrupled for wins as compared to EA BF. I have gone through the numbers, and I have roughly come to the following ratios for PvP over rPvE 9/10 and cPvE with "average" rewards. I'm involving cPvE in this by means of pointing out how terrible a point of reference it is. This data is based on a 10m PvP game and does not account for queue time, so we can imagine gold incomes to be even lower for PvP. For the sake of clarity, numbers and percentages are rounded but based on live data. Mind that baffling enough, this is QUADRUPLE what EA used to offer for PvP and it's still grossly out of proportion with the rest of the map earnings (not to mention cPvE which is terribly out of balance but seems to currently be in a good enjoyability spot and does encourage players to actually revisit campaign maps over non-stop rPvE so we're currently making do with that). Either way, yes, PvP falls back way further than it should if you want to balance out game modes. However, this is not accounting for abuse, and this is a topic I'm sincerely worried about due to the nature of PvP. The PvP community is relatively small by itself, and the community that wants to play PvP to actively gain gold through PvP is even smaller. What we want to avoid is for PvP to become profitable enough to have pure gold rushers come in to PvP and ruin the experience for more serious players, especially in ranked. Current live data shows that abusing PvP is not all too profitable compared to other game modes. This takes queue time differences into account. The annoying thing here is that consistently winning at minimum time gets awfully close to consistently winning at maximum time. The problem with this is that we can't exactly penalise people for finishing their matches quickly, but we can also not promote system abuse either. There's a delicate balance here that needs to be kept. A change is needed for sure, but let's for the sake of simplicity state that we're going to up the PvP bonus to +200% baseline rather than +100%. This roughly means that instead of victories gaining x4 gold compared to the original game, they now gain x8, and losses gain x3 gold rather than x2. Since there's a logarithmic relation here, the gap between winning and losing does change, which is to account for abuse. Now the winning numbers start to look vastly different: Ignoring that yet again cPvE is grossly out of balance, this would put PvP more in line with rPvE. However, it needs to be taken into account that this PvP victory path makes more gold than an rPvE9 victory, yet losing a PvP match would also net about 76 GPM, so you'd be ignoring losses completely in these calculations. This is fair enough for your seasoned veteran Spirit Ship spammer, but for regular players this is a significant difference which isn't too hard to be found out. After all, an average of 118 GPM is quite a nice boost opposed to the 72.5 GPM rPvE9 would offer if we account for a 50-50 win/loss ratio. Would this bring more people to PvP? Probably. But it would also bring less seriousness into the mix, which could prove to be a big dent in player experience. Let's have a look at the "abuse" ratios again with this new model: Now, ratio-wise you can see that there's a bigger gap between winning and losing, making an AFK strategy less viable and that's good, but with an average GPM of 118 for abuse strategies, this by far crosses the line of rPvE's aforementioned 72.5 GPM at the same win/loss ratio, and that's not accounting for queue/startup times for rPvE despite those being minimal. I'm not too fond of a 49 GPM abusive strat to even get remotely close to rPvE averages, because everyone can lose a PvP match and gain gold for it. rPvE7 has a 45 GPM ratio, and that would require you to win half your rPvE matches whereas the 49 GPM doesn't require you to do anything. Long story short here; the PvP gold distribution is incredibly sensitive and intricate related to the rest of the game and messing around with it can massively change up the game environment, which I consider to be the top priority within this project. I hope it's clear that this is a lot more complicated than it seems on the surface, but I hear you and I agree that PvP could use some change. So, I've come up with the following GPM changes to better match other game modes: This will actually put PvP at an average GPM of 78 as opposed to rPvE9's 72.5, making PvP in theory slightly more profitable at a 50-50 win/loss ratio, and roughly on the same line when taking the extended PvP queue times into account. Comparatively, it is generally easier to win an rPvE9 so it would hopefully not cause too drastic a mainstream gold farming shift to PvP and hopefully promote the gamemode more than to tank its quality with players that don't play seriously. Just for comparison's sake, here's the presumed abusive data: A maximum-time win on PvP in this model fits snugly in-between rPvE9 and rPvE10 victory GPMs as opposed to the current version which doesn't even come close. The 42 GPM ratio for consecutive PvP losses does not seem too penalising, and lies slightly off the halfway point between rPvE6 and 7, to which I agree, rPvE6 should be achievable to most players and definitely most gold rushers. Whereas I am still concerned about how this will impact the general PvP environment, I believe this balance should definitely help the gamemode way more than it hurts. Also, be mindful that AFK-ing or "just kill me" matches may be reported, and may get abusers banned. The biggest problem currently lies within the base threshold of rewards for PvP matches. There's a baseline gold reward in place to make short matches less underwhelming, but this also means that in turn surrendering early technically grants about 7 GPM more. This is a low number but it is a difference, and hopefully this will not be a huge threat to the PvP environment. Still, the following idea might help counteract this slightly: I get that getting no reward for Sparring Grounds can be frustrating, but due to the high vulnerability of the gamemode (being able to terminate matches at will and the possibility of group abuse within that issue), the gold rewards will never remotely be able to stand up against any other game mode. Using an undefined minimum match length, though, we could allow a gold reward on Sparring matches equal to 33% of a Ranked match. With a 1167 gold reward for a 20m match win and an average GPM of 42 per win, this should not at all be a profitable pursuit, but still allow Sparring players to feel at least a bit rewarded for their games, and might help people refrain from purposely quick-losing ranked matches where their GPM will be the same. TL;DR: I'm proposing the following changes to the PvP reward system: Increase average Ranked PvP rewards for wins from 72 Gold Per Minute to 125 Gold Per Minute Increase average Ranked PvP rewards for losses from to 27 Gold Per Minute to 35 Gold Per Minute Sparring Grounds will now earn gold equal to 33% of ranked rewards after a set time has been played Beware that these changes are not live yet and won't be final, but let me know what you think, and hopefully this will help breathe some life and motivation into the PvP sector of the game again!

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