wanky

glad i do not see all reaplays for taking out the points where made. Maby i will submit a ~3h run and still have Max Points (- the points for speed)

If there any spezial reward if its played with the Tutorial deck? And yes it is possible

We like this suggestion and are currently looking into implementing something similar in the near future.

not quite sure, but when poking around in the map scrippts, you can at least see things on the map that are not in the game on expert (and also not on easier difficulty levels).
The most obvious is Crusade from my point of view, because there should definitely be 2 more ways, and also at the way from the center up, to the middle of the map (actually no one goes there tbh), has the whole, I call them marks stamps, which have the other 2 teleporters also. So assume that there was also once another teleporter planned, in whatever form.

I) there sould be some gamemodes already, just watch into the community maps

II) sounds intresting. But maby hard to creat. (tetris have similar things if u play 1 vs 1 tetris)

III) some maps have a *extra difficulty", but not finisched. f.e. crusade have on top 4 lines to defend on Expert. but if u watch the map in editor, there seems to be even 2 lines more to defend. Sadly this "extra hard" mode was never implementet. I rly would like to get a ultra hard mode for the CPVE maps, but probely only a rly smal playerbase would even able to finisch them. 

I) there sould be some gamemodes already, just watch into the community maps

II) sounds intresting. But maby hard to creat. (tetris have similar things if u play 1 vs 1 tetris)

III) some maps have a *extra difficulty", but not finisched. f.e. crusade have on top 4 lines to defend on Expert. but if u watch the map in editor, there seems to be even 2 lines more to defend. Sadly this "extra hard" mode was never implementet. I rly would like to get a ultra hard mode for the CPVE maps, but probely only a rly smal playerbase would even able to finisch them. 

I think the idea that you can rate communitymaps after completion is very good. What you could possibly additionally include is an "average playing time" Especially with the COmmunity maps, has some in the process that partly take 1h + even for speedruns.  Again, others are played through in 5 minutes, even if you take it comfortably. So you would have a nice overview 
Or is even a general sorting possible?
e.g.
-Rpve
-TD
-PVE short (0-10min)
-PVE medium (10-30min)
-PVE long (30+ min)
-Special mods 
(from my point of view, special mods would be e.g. the community schmide, the Tiktakto etc.)
/wanky

usualy with your rank u have playd this game for -+ 1 year. This happens if u only Grind Feeder in Bad harvest and then get Rank PVE 17+. Witout this Bad harvest grind u did, u would know every map very well, and all of them can bi done Solo (exept of Empire and 12player maps) So i do not rly understand ur anger. Its your own fault. 
 
and just to notice: If u have trouble finding  people to play with, just join into discord. There are many times player online who play with u, and carry u trough the maps. 
 
sorry for the harsh choice of words, by the way. but there's really no other way than to say: it's your own fault. 

usualy with your rank u have playd this game for -+ 1 year. This happens if u only Grind Feeder in Bad harvest and then get Rank PVE 17+. Witout this Bad harvest grind u did, u would know every map very well, and all of them can bi done Solo (exept of Empire and 12player maps) So i do not rly understand ur anger. Its your own fault. 
 
and just to notice: If u have trouble finding  people to play with, just join into discord. There are many times player online who play with u, and carry u trough the maps. 
 
sorry for the harsh choice of words, by the way. but there's really no other way than to say: it's your own fault. 

update for the Gold challange: After Shadow and Nature also frost is done, Pretty shure fire is also duable. I just missing a lot of charches for fire cards.
 
Little notiz: I hade some runs did not get the amii-operator switch at the First Banditcamp on left side. This makes it impossible to get T3 before reaching the top middle orb (after the 4 Bandig camps with tortugun and ship any many more)
 
Happend in ~9run 2 Times.
 
/wanky

Just to know. As example: in Ocean ADv community challange, i decidet to NOT use the Shrine, just cause its not even Worth to use. In this map, like i many otheres, there are just not enough units around to Freeze in a effectiv way. The 8% is maby ok for Rpve, but in cPVE its just not usefull in most cases.
 
if u intrestet, i can show replays after challange is done, with and without this crappy Shrine 
 
/wanky

Hey,
I got ~25 replays, keep them coming! Pretty cool to see how many people want to participate :-) .
The winners will be shown this Sunday evening on a stream, so on the 02.05. ~7pm. See you there!
 
Greetings,
Toggy

Just to know. As example: in Ocean ADv community challange, i decidet to NOT use the Shrine, just cause its not even Worth to use. In this map, like i many otheres, there are just not enough units around to Freeze in a effectiv way. The 8% is maby ok for Rpve, but in cPVE its just not usefull in most cases.
 
if u intrestet, i can show replays after challange is done, with and without this crappy Shrine 
 
/wanky

How on earth did you interpretant of everything we wrote - this. We literally told you that the gold system should be adjusted.
I'm honestly very done with defending every single day against people who barely even read what I write.
 

Here you go:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTYzSFVB-98

Addressing the symptoms rather than the "disease" will not help in this case as @wanky points out above. Please ask yourself the question, why do people resort to these gold runs on BH? My answers to this question are the following:
- Quick gold is needed to enjoy the game with fully upgraded cards. I suppose then a 3 minute run (a common BH gold farm time) is preferable to a 15 minute run (a common casual rpve 9 run) to get ~4000 gold. You will get 5 times the amount of gold doing this, case closed.
- If you have a deck consisting of 3 UR, 3 R, 3 UC and 11 C cards, it will require 185525 gold, this is then either 2h19mins of BH play or 11h40mins of rpve9. One of my favourite decks consist 4 UR, 7 R, 4 UC, 5 C, which equals BH time, 3h18 mins or rpve9 time, 16h40mins. That is then for 20 cards, then there are another 500+ cards to upgraded, on top of my head then I take the 185525x25 and then you end up with a shitload of time spent to upgrade cards, case closed.
If you wanna fight stuff then fight this, it takes too long to get places in this game. Fighting Decomposer will only lead to other ways to get quick gold. Then in the end everyone will reach a threshold when gold becomes useless and then farming runs on BH (and other maps) will be obsolete.
For the card then and for me personally, without a few runs in BH as a feeder, some runs on other maps as a "runner" I have hardly ever used Decomposer. To me it is generally a pretty useless card, still I defend it as it brings a nice niche use in extreme speedruns with the feature "power sharing". For the void manipulation factor there will always be better solutions, I believe, as T1 usually is over in a matter of minutes...
In fact, it would be interesting to see the usage of this card in the total number of matches played. I asked @Zyna for these stats in Discord but have not received any replies to it yet. So, I go back in time a bit with a reference that Kubik posted like a year ago (before the reset yes...) where card usage was shown in matches played:
https://gist.github.com/Kubikx/189d173c337e4d996382cc59b0bf7919
There Decomposer is on place ~115 of most played cards in matches. I guess that figure is roughly the same today so what is the problem here really? People are not playing the game how it is "intended" to be played? How is it then intended to be played? Until we see proof of this card being used in every match played every day all the time, only then I could start agreeing we have a problem card. Now it is only a niche card, viable for a limited set of activities, such as speedrunning for best times and farming gold, as it was "intended"...
// Ponni

Introduce that not completing all quests on a map no longer gives 100% of the gold and XP, in BH as an example, you will do the cannons nor the deffence on the wagon, so skipping a large part of the map. If you assume that 100% is 4k gold, you could say 10% is the minimum you would get if you skipped everything, and for every quest you do you get a percentage more gold. In BH, I think it's 4 cannons, 1 wagon deffence, 3 stone lords, 1 jorne.
So 9 quests in total. 
10% if you do nothing and win
spoeedrun (3 lords 1 jorne) 50%
all cannons and defence are also 5 quests, so also 50%.
So the speedrun would still give 2k gold, which i think is still too much to stop goldfarms from playing zombie mode on BH. 
Therefore my suggestion: what has to be done for a map (at BH the 3 lords and jorne) give a maximum of 25% of the reward, everything else that is "voluntary", which can be skipped by a tactic, give 75%.
This is how you have regulated it not only for BH, but for all maps. Because we all know that if BH can no longer be made, the next map will come, probably GoL, and then the map will be destroyed for speedruns by map changes or cards. After GoL comes the next map that can simply be used for gold farms, then the next, and this until it is no longer fun to play any map because you have to clear any map completely for getting done, which is just boring from a speedrunner's point of view, apart from RPVE perhaps.
 
In my point of view it would be good, if speedruns themself get nerved that rewards are way more smaler by  skipping things on map who are not 100% nessesery (like the cannons in BH), but still is playable for the Fastest time. 
 
/wanky
 
 
edit: btw, this is what we are talking about since weeks/months, we startet talking about rework reward system after some streamers start to farm gold and Xp live on twitch, cause we clearly saw this abuse coming für gold/XP farm.

if pos3 is to hard for a single one, pos 4 can suport him verry well.  As always for expert maps, if it seems to hard, communication will help.

Introduce that not completing all quests on a map no longer gives 100% of the gold and XP, in BH as an example, you will do the cannons nor the deffence on the wagon, so skipping a large part of the map. If you assume that 100% is 4k gold, you could say 10% is the minimum you would get if you skipped everything, and for every quest you do you get a percentage more gold. In BH, I think it's 4 cannons, 1 wagon deffence, 3 stone lords, 1 jorne.
So 9 quests in total. 
10% if you do nothing and win
spoeedrun (3 lords 1 jorne) 50%
all cannons and defence are also 5 quests, so also 50%.
So the speedrun would still give 2k gold, which i think is still too much to stop goldfarms from playing zombie mode on BH. 
Therefore my suggestion: what has to be done for a map (at BH the 3 lords and jorne) give a maximum of 25% of the reward, everything else that is "voluntary", which can be skipped by a tactic, give 75%.
This is how you have regulated it not only for BH, but for all maps. Because we all know that if BH can no longer be made, the next map will come, probably GoL, and then the map will be destroyed for speedruns by map changes or cards. After GoL comes the next map that can simply be used for gold farms, then the next, and this until it is no longer fun to play any map because you have to clear any map completely for getting done, which is just boring from a speedrunner's point of view, apart from RPVE perhaps.
 
In my point of view it would be good, if speedruns themself get nerved that rewards are way more smaler by  skipping things on map who are not 100% nessesery (like the cannons in BH), but still is playable for the Fastest time. 
 
/wanky
 
 
edit: btw, this is what we are talking about since weeks/months, we startet talking about rework reward system after some streamers start to farm gold and Xp live on twitch, cause we clearly saw this abuse coming für gold/XP farm.

Introduce that not completing all quests on a map no longer gives 100% of the gold and XP, in BH as an example, you will do the cannons nor the deffence on the wagon, so skipping a large part of the map. If you assume that 100% is 4k gold, you could say 10% is the minimum you would get if you skipped everything, and for every quest you do you get a percentage more gold. In BH, I think it's 4 cannons, 1 wagon deffence, 3 stone lords, 1 jorne.
So 9 quests in total. 
10% if you do nothing and win
spoeedrun (3 lords 1 jorne) 50%
all cannons and defence are also 5 quests, so also 50%.
So the speedrun would still give 2k gold, which i think is still too much to stop goldfarms from playing zombie mode on BH. 
Therefore my suggestion: what has to be done for a map (at BH the 3 lords and jorne) give a maximum of 25% of the reward, everything else that is "voluntary", which can be skipped by a tactic, give 75%.
This is how you have regulated it not only for BH, but for all maps. Because we all know that if BH can no longer be made, the next map will come, probably GoL, and then the map will be destroyed for speedruns by map changes or cards. After GoL comes the next map that can simply be used for gold farms, then the next, and this until it is no longer fun to play any map because you have to clear any map completely for getting done, which is just boring from a speedrunner's point of view, apart from RPVE perhaps.
 
In my point of view it would be good, if speedruns themself get nerved that rewards are way more smaler by  skipping things on map who are not 100% nessesery (like the cannons in BH), but still is playable for the Fastest time. 
 
/wanky
 
 
edit: btw, this is what we are talking about since weeks/months, we startet talking about rework reward system after some streamers start to farm gold and Xp live on twitch, cause we clearly saw this abuse coming für gold/XP farm.

Just reread everything in this discussion.
TLDR for you:
Remove the Gold XP rewards for playing 3 min Bad Harvests, and boom no more issues.

Alright, I will make one early next week

a video tutorial how this programm works would be awsome

it is not the decomposer. Doing speedruns does not mean that you always play with decomposer and simply feed through a certain number. As shown in the video of convoy (link down below), for example, you can also play massive map skips without a decomposer and this achieve a very fast time. In Bad Harvest, for example, you skip the entire defensive part of the wagon, as well as the cannons. Such map skips are possible on many maps (like the well-known one in GoL where you kill the building over the wall and many more), whereas in e.g. Ravens end such map skips are not possible, but the decomposer makes them a few minutes faster because you don't have to wait for energy. Even if the other player then also goes t4 and clears parts of the map, it is faster if one is t4 early than if 2 are late. Another example this month MOTM10 where decomposer was used to balance the energy deficit of the player who loses many wells and also orb at the beginning. 
You can't argue against clear facts, just don't. 
The reward system is broken in that it always gives the total rewards even if you skip many parts of the map. Because that's what effectively annoys most people. The decomposer is just one of the maps that makes this easier on some maps, like Bad harvest. On most maps, however, you can do these skips without any problems. So if you want to get to the root of the problem, you have to rework the reward system a bit. Not the cards that have no effect on the players apart from speedrunning and solo plays. 
 

Patch #400027
Greetings Skylords, Skyladies, and Skyfolks!

Today we're rolling out a small patch to better promote ongoing tournaments.
In addition to that, we are happy to announce the next big patch for Skylords Reborn. We are working on some final things, but the patch after this one will include the next round of balancing changes for PvP! We plan to release the patch after the currently running PvE challenge ends. Be sure to check it out aswell, maybe you can earn yourself a couple of boosters:

Here are the short patch notes for today. As always, thank you so much for your support. We hope we will see each other in the forge soon!

General Changes
Replaced the ingame news with an "Events" tab. You can see all active and upcoming challenges and tournaments in there. This will be the default tab when you start the game.

If u want to change this, u are actually talking about, Farming XP and Gold Rewards after finisch a map, u should start talking about, what idea u prefer to change the reward system for completing a map. 
i still don't see any reason to change anything about the decomposer, except to make the real speedrunners unhappy. 
 
/wanky