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  1. LagOps liked a post in a topic by Eirias in Analysis of the 25 Card Deck   
    Yes, that is my premise
    The question is if we want to go there eventually, because making that decision now can influence future balance changes, and the direction of our current prioritizes. Would you like to see a 25 card deck at some point? Assuming a game balanced around 25 cards, not 20.
     
    Or do you see some downside with this?
  2. LagOps liked a post in a topic by RadicalX in Analysis of the 25 Card Deck   
    We might be able to talk about this in a few years, but right now it would create more problems than solutions for balancing.
    Only a few decks do have sufficient options, that really improve decks at higher slot numbers. If almost every deck has 35+ truly viable cards for PvP, an increase might be an option, but for now most decks would just overload their T3's or add oppressive conditional strategies rather than providing more interesting game dynamics.  
     
    Stonekin is the only exception right now as it has many different unique and viable T2/3 cards, that are not used for slot reasons. Adding them would improve options in T2 and allow different game styles (Attacking f.e. can revolve around different core units, that work against specific factions: Burrower, Mountaineer, Stonetempest, Crystalfiend, Stormsinger, Razorshard) or stick with current options, but with an actual T3.
    Standard meta deck Lost Souls has a very solid core deck structure, that wins scaling games consistently once you are ahead of the curve. This playstyle would be totally unaffected by increased slots, you just increase the options of getting that little lead throughout the game by adding counter cards like Lost Reaver, Lyrish Knight, Skyelf Templar and solidify the raw T3 power level by slot increase (6 slots are really powerful). 
    Some decks Like pure Pure Fire could add something like Global Warming or Spitfire, but these cards don't really add anything and don't reduce any core issues. Relative to other decks pure Fire gains nothing new, while facing some more versitile decks with specific counter units (Twilight Brute, Skyelf Templar) and much more oppressive attack patterns (heavily supported L units, undead army etc.). 
     
     
    Playing off meta decks is always possible, but people usually prefer to stick with the most powerful and most well rounded strategies. 25 slots won't change this. They won't randomly start playing things like Tower of Flames + Architechts call even at 40 slots, because these things are bad and not situational sleeper combos, that are restricted by slot investments. Stuff like Enlightment + Earthshaker might be more realistic, but that's just another toxic basenuke.
     
    PvE implications are also huge on a sidenote, since it makes deck building much more efficient and alot of speedruns are affected by this too. Makes the game much easier in that department. 
     
    Creating more strategic options through card balancing and removing opressive matchup imbalances should be current priority. If we ever reach that goal in a couple of years and get to a larger healthy card pool, slot increases might be reasonable as a result of this. 
  3. LagOps liked a post in a topic by VolvoxGlobator in Recent BFP Reward Changes are Bad for Daily Players   
    I would go even further and say that for the sake of discussion we can totally ignore market. Both today situation, past or future. Market is en equalization tool. If booster becomes worth it, people will start buying boosters instead, with excess selling on the market, driving market prices down. If effective booster price will decerease too much, people will buy off the market, driving the prices up. Eventually ending in some sort of steady state.
    But for the reward system this is mostly irrelevant. Important thing is how the system is defined regardless the market. And this is quite simple -> how many boosters can I afford per time spent ingame. Current changes have increased the needed time to get new cards - and this is all what matters.
    Current change also (please correct me if I am wrong) wanted to equalize a little bit difference between very active and not so active players, which  I personally approve.
    But everyone will have less "boosters per minute" than the placeholder system. I think that this is a pity, because it is not fun to play Battleforge without the cards. Damo's calculations quite nicely illustrate the issue. 3 (probably very good PvE decks) is reasonable variety to play with. But also PvP deck is an adition. and non Battleground PvE decks adds additional time requirements. Please, dont make this game more grindy....
    On a personal note, I have also enjoyed opening the booster after 30 mins of play and 30 mins of time is much easier for me to find than 60+ minutes...
     
     
  4. LagOps liked a post in a topic by Ultrakool in Test server Ultra Major Update   
    Hello Skylords,
    Hope everyone is doing well. As promised, here is the test-server update planned for this week. We are really excited for this update as it contains many bug fixes, big features like 2vs2 and 12 player maps, and quality of life improvements. We would really appreciate it if you guys could test this update, because a lot changed and it would be very good to be reassured our changes are working as intended. The .zip in #dev-updates-test-server contains the files for this update as well as the new launcher. Just move all of the contents of this .zip file to your game directory (where you also have BattleForge.exe) and overwrite any files if it asks. The new launcher automatically loads the correct game files, so you can seemingly switch between test server and production server without having to move the files yourself. Hopefully this improvement makes it less cumbersome to play on both servers. The changelog can be seen below. We will be looking forward to hearing what you guys think of this update!

    Download Here:Click

    Features
    - You can now play 2vs2 ranked matches. Also added leaderboard for 2vs2 matches. 
    - You can now play 12 player matches. Also added leaderboard for 12 player matches. Keep in mind 12 player matches only reward gold.
    - Adjusted required ranks for purchasing upgrades. The required ranks are 1, 4 and 5 for upgrade 1, 2 and 3, and is the same for all rarities.
    The required rank can either be your PvE rank, or your highest PvP rank.
    - You can now view and select the decks you most recently used for a map in the lobby via the 'Suggested Decks' button.
    - You are now able to navigate in the map selection screen (PvP and Community PvE) with your arrow keys.
    - You can now watch replays at x16 and x32 speed.
    - You can now click on cards (the images) in the marketplace in order to play them in the forge.
    - Replaced the "Manual" button with a "Wiki" button in the news section.
    - Improved UI and feedback when trying to upload community maps. More improvements to this will be added at a later stage.
    - Added /match chat.
    General fixes
    - Minor fixes for the new BFP system.
    - Fixed many group and match bugs. 
    - Resolved some causes of getting stuck in the loading screen.
    - Fixed trade button tooltip saying the player accepted the trade while he did not.
    - Fixed german version of the promo from booster notification message.
    - Fixed ranged attack symbols not displayed for fire cards at higher resolutions.
    - Fixed replays of community maps not showing in the replays menu in certain cases.
    - Drastically improved performance of the upgrade tab.
    - Minor general improvements to the story book.
    - Fixed a minor issue with trying to upload PVP community maps.
    - Fixed players in the ignore list not properly showing their location and status.(edited)
    - Fixed BFP desync when bidding more than the buyout on a card in the auction house.
    - Fixed incorrect error feedback when setting the bid amount to less than 2 on a card for the auction house.
    - Removed login button from the escape menu.
    - Fixed selected map in the create a game window not always being remembered properly between opening and closing the window for PvP and Community maps.
    Card Changes
    - Balance changes: https://skylords-reborn.fandom.com/wiki/Balancing
    - Added missing ability "Siege" to Skycatcher card description.
    - Improved card description of Juice Tank.
    - Added range to Area Ice Shield card description.
    - Fixed wrong damage on card description of Northern Keep (Blue).
    - Various other minor additions, updates and fixes (like typo's).
    Known issues
    - Although 2vs2 works, there are some issues with properly updating the players within the group (Team1, Team2, Unteamed). Sometimes the players will have a "?" as their avatar too. This should work fine for all other modes.
    - 2vs2 currently provides wrong amount of ELO for a match.
    - Sometimes you may hear a (windows) error sound. We have yet to find the cause for this, but we did notice it seems to happen more frequently when opening the news section.
    The game seems to work fine, but please let us know if you think you found a way to reproduce this.
    - Rerolling quests might sometimes not work.
  5. LagOps liked a post in a topic by RadicalX in Skylords Reborn Championship (11.07)   
    Hello Skylords and Skyladies! Today I want to announce the next big Battleforge PvP Tournament!
    Who is going to be the new Master of the Forge to show the world, that he mastered his decks and strategies to beat them all for fame, glory and obviously tons of bfp? Time to find out! 
     
     
    Who can participate?
    Everyone! I will be thankful for every single participant! Even if you're not that confident at reaching grand finals to get a shot for winning the whole thing, there will be lots of opportunities to win prices and I would like to stream and review as many games as possiblle through all skillbrackets! It would be great to see a large variety of decks and playstyles! 
    SIGN UP TO THE TOURNAMENT: https://challonge.com/tournaments/signup/aUNkP0atnG#/signup/205xjl4u7pp
    If you end up having problems with the registration talk to me! 
     
    Format
    It will be a 1vs1 Double Elimination best of 3 tournament, the grand final will be best of 5 (one match, no reset). Winner and losers finals will be all played on stream (the basic Toggy-format).
     
    Prize Pool 
    1st place: 5000 Bfp + Promo Construct
    2nd place: 3000 Bfp + Wheel of Gifts
    3rd place: 2000 Bfp + Juggernaut
    4th place: 1500 Bfp
    Every other participant, that shows up and plays his matches gets 1 Booster!! You don't have to reach top 4 to win something in this tournament!
     
    Awards
    There will be special awards for special and entertaining plays during the tournament. Everyone, who sends me the replays at the end of the tournament gets a shot at winning!! 
     
    -> Best match of the Tournament: By that I mean the closest and most instense games! Perfect mechanical execution isn't necessary to win this award, it just has to be super exciting! The 3 best games will be rewarded with 500bfp for each player who took place in one of the matches. 
    -> Creative Player Award: Make a creative deck or non meta strategy work in this tournament! The 3 most impressive strategies will be rewarded with 500bfp each. 
    -> There will be even more hidden awards like the Toggy Award, so stay tuned! In total I will use up more than 5.000 bfp (I might even increase that number) to reward special plays and matches regardless on how high you placed in the tournament. UPDATE: We got another 10.000bfp donation for awards!
     
    To be considered for the award ceremony you have to send me your replays! You can upload them in this forum thread or send them to me via discord (RadicalX#0952)! Please consider, that I had to change my discord account, so don't send your replays to the old one! I want to upload as many tournament replays on my youtube channel as possible!
     
    When?
    On 11.07.20 starting at 2pm CEST (Berlin time), the stream will start about 30 minutes in advance! 
     
    How to watch?
    There will be a livestream during the tournament: https://www.twitch.tv/radicalx5 
    I also want to cast alot of replays on my youtube channel and also announce the award winners: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3rZG7pzo3GYO0wR3Jx9F7w
    Will be thankful for every viewer! 
     
    Rules 
    Disconnection during a game results in a default loss. If both sides agree it is possible to have a remake!
    Not showing up to your match within 15 minutes results in a default loss. The plan is to play a round of matches every ~30 mins.
    After your match go to Challonge and insert the result. That is done by clicking on your match and selecting the winner/stats. The brackets will be updated automatically.
    The Map Pool is: Haladur, Simai, Wazhai, Elyon, Lajesh, Yrmia and Uro (same pool as in ranked duel). The first match of the round will be played on Haladur, then it is losers choice. Second round will start with Simai, third one... you get the drill.
    The brackets for the tournament will be shuffled before the tournament starts.
    Please save your replays by renaming them after you game or selecting the safe all replays option and send them to me unless your game were played on stream! 
    Internal rules like "no wall agreements" have to be agreed on in text form to be an official ruling and if any of those internal agreements are violated it counts as a default loss
    No insulting! 
    BANNED CARDS: CURSE WELL; MORTAR TOWER; PHASETOWER - using one of these cards results in a default loss. If both sides agree it is possible to have a remake! 
     
     
     
     
    Reply in this thread, if you have any questions! Big shoutouts to Yuah & MephistoRoss for donating huge amounts of bfp to make this large price pool possible! 
    Quick reminder, that we have a discord tutoring server. If anyone wants to prepare for the tourney, feel free to join here: https://discord.gg/dZzKexQ
    All I can do at this point is quoting Toggy: "I would love to see this community grow again and the competitive scene develop aswell. Because BF is fun!" 
    Looking forward to a great tournament!  
     
    Best regards,
    RadicalX 
  6. LagOps liked a post in a topic by macabi in Cannot find Ranked PvP Games   
    It's very possible that players who are ranked higher have easier time to find a ranked PvP game because of his high rank (since higher rank players play more often).
    However, I rank low so for me it's almost impossible.
    Also, it's very possible that this player have a few friends who he is coordinating the time to play.
    I don't have a friend I can coordinate with.
    If you want more PvP feedback then PvP games should be going on all the time.
  7. LagOps liked a post in a topic by RadicalX in Cannot find Ranked PvP Games   
    Alot of PvP players just stopped playing for multiple reasons. The reset didn't happen so far (alot of people don't want to farm for all cards and upgrades twice), potential balancing changes got postponed, unbalanced matchmaking because of large skill differences, very longs searching times etc.
    Right now there is 1 player with full activity when there used to be roughly 150. I think the best chance of rebuilding a solid PvP playerbase is proper promotion and work around it after the reset.  
  8. LagOps liked a post in a topic by ndclub in How to get back a decent player base?   
    I am also waiting to come back when there is more player activity being a PVP player as well. The stress test happened when I was too busy with other things in life. It will be a tough road to get the population back to any sustainable level and will require something drastic. The fact that everyone working on it is doing it on a volunteer basis it makes this goal even harder. 
    Every discord feels so disconnected from everything else. It is definitely not a marketing tool but good for active discussions.
  9. LagOps liked a post in a topic by Karl Lavafeld in How to get back a decent player base?   
    Like @Taker im thankfull you bring the game back. Every suggestion is meant constructive.
    Let's gather some ideas. 
     
    1. Ask gaming-youtubers to make a video about skylords. We should decide carefully on who to ask. And we must write a good text to point out that this is our loved game not a comertial interest.
    2. Support or/and organize pvp and pve tournaments. 
    3. Support map makers, so at least old players not leave cause there is no new content.
    4. Not wait with balancechanges. The game is flawed so why let new players experience the flaws. Just use the main server as testserver and change cards back to normal or to different change if the changes are not good. 
    5. Maybe the devs shoud search a promotion person who takes care of that topic. It could be a lot of work at least in the phase some months after release. 
     
    Maybe I have more ideas I'll add later. 
     
     
  10. LagOps liked a post in a topic by chargeR in How to get back a decent player base?   
    Iam on discord, and even there is like 0 progress infos, updates have basically no changelog and so on, earlier under fiki we had somehow progress bars atleast, which kept the hope alive.
    My mates dont use discord for several reasons.
    How should I know about the forum or the discord, when I cant find anything about Skylords outside of it? Makes no sense to me.
    Like I said there are 0 infos on when or even if the reset will happen, lots of people already stopped testing because of that.
  11. LagOps liked a post in a topic by Taker in How to get back a decent player base?   
    Hey, 

    I just wondering if there will ever be a decent player base again. 
    Because currently there are almost no players online most of the time. 

    It feels like there are actually like 100 people out of that 59711 forum members, who are actively play the game right now. 
    Im, beside the necessary quests to get cards and upgrades, a PvP only player. Even as the player base was at its best there were like "only" 20-25 players at the PvP-Ground. 
    So a proper matchmaking wasnt even possible there. Today, when i start the game, im almost every single time the only player at pvp-grounds.
    Dont get me wrong, I am super happy to be able to play this great game again, but for me it feels like we missed the time to reach enough people to ever get a decent player base again. 

    So my question now, is there any plan to promote and advertise this game on release? And if yes, what is it? 

    This is not ment to be offensive or something, i thank everybody who made it possible to play this game again.
  12. LagOps liked a post in a topic by Eirias in How to make PvP more attractive (Discussion)   
    I am personally not against increasing deck slots, although a careful analysis would need to be done. It may also not be possible.

    But about t4, imo there is no place for t4 in pvp. If you really have extra slots everyone will just take earthshaker, but t4 cards are so crazy OP that you can't even consider having proper counters and healthy gameplay. Even in t3, 90% of t3 cards are just basenuking or countering a base nuke. Games won't reach t4 (even if there are slots) unless wells and orbs get an additional hp buff, but then that will mean games won't end in t1/t2.....
    (btw, random thought but I wonder if it might be cool to have maps with different hp levels for different wells/orbs? That might be a cool way to spice maps up, and might also prevent certain rushing from happening, for example if the wells on wazhai cliffs had like 2500 or even 3000 hp, the person who wins the center fight may not auto win....)f
     
    But anyway, even if wells had a ton of health so t4 was the norm, nothing in t4 is balanced for healthy gameplay. There is a community map called something like "maze of survivors" which is kinda cool because you have to t4 fight your opponent, but after playing this map a couple times it is clear that t4 fighting is pretty silly and frequently reaches stalemates....
     
     
  13. LagOps liked a post in a topic by Pritstift in Is a hard reset really needed?   
    I would appreciate a small bonus after reset for the main player base that was going through the open stress test all the time and worked together with the skylords reborn team even with the knowledge that there will be a reset.
    This could be rated on different values you are already recording for each player (e.g. played matches, time online and so on).
    I hate the players that just wait for the reset and doing nothing helpful - they just flame for the date of the reset and dont see why things need to be tested and adjusted first. Even with just some games per week they could support. After the reset these will be the players that still will not play a lot and will flame about problems they may face with the game or the new market mechanics to earn bfp.
    The Bonus could be a single card or a booster or maybe you could choose one card out of a pool - something like this. There are a lot of options regarding cards, bfp or gold that would be fair and could give some starting motivation for the main player base to start from 0 again and to say thank you for the continoues support. For sure we also have to say thank you to your work and the project itself.
  14. Kubik liked a post in a topic by LagOps in How to make PvP more attractive (Discussion)   
    Your comments about t1 imbalance, i fully agree with. nature and frost t1 both are not up too par (for different reasons and it would be hard to find balanced fixes for this imo. damn, now i wrote an essay about it... again...).
    still, we should also examine fire and shadow t1 as well as they do contain some quite problematic elements. mostly it's the towers, but i feel that overall, ranged units seem too dominant in t1. in almost any matchup a ranged unit spam is par of the course (with some exceptions in the form of thugs spam, which needs a nerf), where as in t2 you can see much more variety in units being played. as there are 2 primary ranged units per faction, this often leads to a real lack of variety in what is being played and the ranged units matchup is a big part of why nature t1 and frost t1 fail as well.
    this is especially prominent in the nature t1 vs. shadow t1 matchup, where you can't even dare to start with a swift unit as the nature player on the vast majority of maps. you can forget about dryads as well for the most part and you usually start spearmen and hope your lack of swift does not get abused too hard when you so much as dare to take a well. your t1 basically got reduced to two s units, none of them swift (unless you play werebeast but i am not convinced of those yet). I don't see how your suggested changes would fix this. with the amazon buff, fire t1 would be in real trouble tho. I think the cost reduction on the swap is too much to ask for as it can already be quite usefull. I get that you want it to be better vs. split attacks, but this is going overboard. scavangers already need to avoid the unit due to the damage reduction, which helps quite a bit. Main problem with this is also that it doesn't help vs. shadow (pretty much nothing aside from -5 on werebeasts is), which means that we have a matchup specific solution only, which might get a problem if you want to further buff the faction to do better vs. shadow t1 as well.
     
    i'm not saying that counters should not exists, but in t1 it has gotten to a point where you can just entirely forget playing certain units in certain matchups. even in some very problematic t2 matchups, it is rarely this one-dimensional in terms of unit-viability. in t2 you see burrowers being played into pure fire decks and harvesters against frost-splashes. even if viable counters exist, those cards aren't just removed from the game like it is the case with t1 and can turn the game if used in the appropriate situation. T1 tho? Not so much. In some matchups you are basically playing half a deck and that just isn't going to work out. i feel this needs to be adressed if we want to have a properly balanced t1, but i don't think it would be possible to find the support needed to make this happen, so best can likely do is buff frost t1 and nature t1 into viability somehow, which comes with its own set of issues:
     
    nature t1 is amazing when there are 3-4+ units on the field and some power is avialable for spells. cc often gauarantees favorable trades and allows to kite back and heal units without much counterplay in open field. damage reduction, s unit counter spell, mele unit counterspell, units with heals, archers with multishot and a very good healing spell, not to forget shamans, all scale like crazy into mid and late t1. problem is, as you pointed out, that this advantage is gone when split attacks are used and the units are costly on top of it, so you can really abuse the faction hard.
    but what is the fix to that supposed to be like? Make the units cheaper and you will hit the power-spike sooner, making the faction really good in a mid-fight without wells and a terror in late t1. On the other hand, so much of nature t1's power comes from the synery with cc and heals, so you most likely can still chesse the faction as usual. Don't get me wrong, it's entirely ok that the faction has issues when dealing with split attacks or otherwise low power levels. It's just too extreme to properly balance that out considering just how well the faction scales. You often feel forced to just go t2 as otherwise you are pretty much guaranteed to get steamrolled if you don't play t1 towers.
    Personally i think some of the utility nature t1 has needs to adjusted while the units get a bit of a buff to be able to hold their own on low power levels. the t1 heal is really strong, especially considering cc and damage reduction can be used to juggle damage and keep units alive. root and hurricane destory the vast majority of staple units of other factions in late t1, which in my opinion is really out of line. the issues are not as prevalent in t2, where cc is ubiquitous and cost efficient aoe damage spells present some working counters.
     
    frost t1 is so map dependent and passive, it's not even funny. aside from the loss of map control and the voulnerability to swift unit rushes, the faction can barely fight in open field, has problems counterattacking (at large well distances. good luck grabbing a clost well tho, since the enemy would love to fight you in open field and you have no swift) and lacks any sort of meaningful engage to start a fight (if you do it right, you can just mass firesworn vs. frost t1 without giving much of a change for the enemy to go t2 and make them lose because they can't force a fight. it's just really dumb!). In short, 90% of the time you are forced to play reactively and hope the enemy messes up somehow (like walking into an obvious gylph of frost in a mid-fight). on the bright side, any non-cheese attacks likely don't get very far. home soil, glacier shell and ice guardians are so good at defending single wells, most player don't even try anymore. but how on earth do you buff frost? make the units good enough to reliably counter swift spamm cheese tactics? what about large maps? what about mid-fights? what if you want to engage without having your ig kitet around?
    let's say you managed to fix those issues somehow, but then what? how am i supposed to attack frost t1 then? standard attacks are not working out already it will only be worse if the faction is buffed. do i still get to try the swift unit cheese even if failure is much more likely? if that strat goes bad, it tends to go really, really bad. the matches would essentially be very volatile and still very map dependent.
     
    In short, frost t1 and nature t1 are problematic and fixing them without, making them op in situations those decks already excell at, will be much harder than excpected.

    As for pvp maps, i really think we should have a contest, preferably an official one where maps get added to the ranked pool. Making good maps takes quite a bit of effort and it sucks not seing them played at all and maybe just winning a few bfp in a contest. I agree that with some measure of care taken for cliffs, center of map balance, map size and t2 oppertunities, we can make some really good and interesting maps and it would be great to roll out new maps for when the game gets released. This should be really low effort for the devs, since the community is going to be in charge of making those maps and voting for them in the end. Since it was already possible to remove random maps from the ranked pool, i am hoping it should be rather easy to add maps as well.
  15. LagOps liked a post in a topic by korsbaek in The New Player Experience (Observations & Suggestions)   
    sure if you are good at pve maps it is very easy and fast to get.

    but what about them that only wants to play sparing matches are they locked to not upgrade their uncommen and up cards as they cant get the rank or forced to play a style they dont want to?
  16. Kubik liked a post in a topic by LagOps in How to make PvP more attractive (Discussion)   
    Your comments about t1 imbalance, i fully agree with. nature and frost t1 both are not up too par (for different reasons and it would be hard to find balanced fixes for this imo. damn, now i wrote an essay about it... again...).
    still, we should also examine fire and shadow t1 as well as they do contain some quite problematic elements. mostly it's the towers, but i feel that overall, ranged units seem too dominant in t1. in almost any matchup a ranged unit spam is par of the course (with some exceptions in the form of thugs spam, which needs a nerf), where as in t2 you can see much more variety in units being played. as there are 2 primary ranged units per faction, this often leads to a real lack of variety in what is being played and the ranged units matchup is a big part of why nature t1 and frost t1 fail as well.
    this is especially prominent in the nature t1 vs. shadow t1 matchup, where you can't even dare to start with a swift unit as the nature player on the vast majority of maps. you can forget about dryads as well for the most part and you usually start spearmen and hope your lack of swift does not get abused too hard when you so much as dare to take a well. your t1 basically got reduced to two s units, none of them swift (unless you play werebeast but i am not convinced of those yet). I don't see how your suggested changes would fix this. with the amazon buff, fire t1 would be in real trouble tho. I think the cost reduction on the swap is too much to ask for as it can already be quite usefull. I get that you want it to be better vs. split attacks, but this is going overboard. scavangers already need to avoid the unit due to the damage reduction, which helps quite a bit. Main problem with this is also that it doesn't help vs. shadow (pretty much nothing aside from -5 on werebeasts is), which means that we have a matchup specific solution only, which might get a problem if you want to further buff the faction to do better vs. shadow t1 as well.
     
    i'm not saying that counters should not exists, but in t1 it has gotten to a point where you can just entirely forget playing certain units in certain matchups. even in some very problematic t2 matchups, it is rarely this one-dimensional in terms of unit-viability. in t2 you see burrowers being played into pure fire decks and harvesters against frost-splashes. even if viable counters exist, those cards aren't just removed from the game like it is the case with t1 and can turn the game if used in the appropriate situation. T1 tho? Not so much. In some matchups you are basically playing half a deck and that just isn't going to work out. i feel this needs to be adressed if we want to have a properly balanced t1, but i don't think it would be possible to find the support needed to make this happen, so best can likely do is buff frost t1 and nature t1 into viability somehow, which comes with its own set of issues:
     
    nature t1 is amazing when there are 3-4+ units on the field and some power is avialable for spells. cc often gauarantees favorable trades and allows to kite back and heal units without much counterplay in open field. damage reduction, s unit counter spell, mele unit counterspell, units with heals, archers with multishot and a very good healing spell, not to forget shamans, all scale like crazy into mid and late t1. problem is, as you pointed out, that this advantage is gone when split attacks are used and the units are costly on top of it, so you can really abuse the faction hard.
    but what is the fix to that supposed to be like? Make the units cheaper and you will hit the power-spike sooner, making the faction really good in a mid-fight without wells and a terror in late t1. On the other hand, so much of nature t1's power comes from the synery with cc and heals, so you most likely can still chesse the faction as usual. Don't get me wrong, it's entirely ok that the faction has issues when dealing with split attacks or otherwise low power levels. It's just too extreme to properly balance that out considering just how well the faction scales. You often feel forced to just go t2 as otherwise you are pretty much guaranteed to get steamrolled if you don't play t1 towers.
    Personally i think some of the utility nature t1 has needs to adjusted while the units get a bit of a buff to be able to hold their own on low power levels. the t1 heal is really strong, especially considering cc and damage reduction can be used to juggle damage and keep units alive. root and hurricane destory the vast majority of staple units of other factions in late t1, which in my opinion is really out of line. the issues are not as prevalent in t2, where cc is ubiquitous and cost efficient aoe damage spells present some working counters.
     
    frost t1 is so map dependent and passive, it's not even funny. aside from the loss of map control and the voulnerability to swift unit rushes, the faction can barely fight in open field, has problems counterattacking (at large well distances. good luck grabbing a clost well tho, since the enemy would love to fight you in open field and you have no swift) and lacks any sort of meaningful engage to start a fight (if you do it right, you can just mass firesworn vs. frost t1 without giving much of a change for the enemy to go t2 and make them lose because they can't force a fight. it's just really dumb!). In short, 90% of the time you are forced to play reactively and hope the enemy messes up somehow (like walking into an obvious gylph of frost in a mid-fight). on the bright side, any non-cheese attacks likely don't get very far. home soil, glacier shell and ice guardians are so good at defending single wells, most player don't even try anymore. but how on earth do you buff frost? make the units good enough to reliably counter swift spamm cheese tactics? what about large maps? what about mid-fights? what if you want to engage without having your ig kitet around?
    let's say you managed to fix those issues somehow, but then what? how am i supposed to attack frost t1 then? standard attacks are not working out already it will only be worse if the faction is buffed. do i still get to try the swift unit cheese even if failure is much more likely? if that strat goes bad, it tends to go really, really bad. the matches would essentially be very volatile and still very map dependent.
     
    In short, frost t1 and nature t1 are problematic and fixing them without, making them op in situations those decks already excell at, will be much harder than excpected.

    As for pvp maps, i really think we should have a contest, preferably an official one where maps get added to the ranked pool. Making good maps takes quite a bit of effort and it sucks not seing them played at all and maybe just winning a few bfp in a contest. I agree that with some measure of care taken for cliffs, center of map balance, map size and t2 oppertunities, we can make some really good and interesting maps and it would be great to roll out new maps for when the game gets released. This should be really low effort for the devs, since the community is going to be in charge of making those maps and voting for them in the end. Since it was already possible to remove random maps from the ranked pool, i am hoping it should be rather easy to add maps as well.
  17. LagOps liked a post in a topic by MrXLink in Open Stress Test - All you need to know!   
    Greetings Skylords, Skyladies and other Skythings,
    After what seemed like eons of hard work and development, we have finally reached the point where the Forge of Creation has been rebuilt for the Skylords to use in their endeavour to protect the realm of Nyn from evil once again. Restricted Access under the Open Stress Test is finally upon us! This means that all of you will finally have access to the forge once again. However, in the starting stages of this phase, slots will be limited and not everyone can be online at the same time. Since the forge is unstable and still under construction, you might find yourself stuck with questions or limitations regarding the game. However, there is no reason to fret! This here topic will provide you with all the information, details, and questions you need regarding the Open Stress Test, its current status, and the future of the Skylords Reborn development cycle. This topic also contains some important regulations, so please read it thoroughly. 

    How can I play this game?
    We get you're excited, and you have all reason to be! You will finally be able to access the game again in some of its former glory. There is some setting up to be done though!

    The game works on a Windows platform. If you are playing on a non-windows operating system, you can use WineHQ to run the game (https://www.winehq.org/). This should work, but since our recent updates we can't guarantee it. If you succeed in running the game on WineHQ, please contact @Ultrakool
    In order to play the game, you will need 2 parts:
    The client, which are your game files. This is the game code itself, so put it in a place where you have over 10 GB of space, preferably more. This is a RAR file; make sure to use WinRAR or the likes to extract the files in the same location. The game will NOT work if you do not extract the client files! You can download the client in the following places: Mediafire: http://www.mediafire.com/file/y1oerkxhupe5k9b Mega.nz: https://mega.nz/#!YBIxWRqZ!8PRFy-juUyIufkoV_hY80C4QL_eud-AU2j7msvF4a5k The updater, which is required to connect to our server. Extract the updater files in the same location as your client files have been extracted to. You can download the updater over here: https://www.mediafire.com/file/xw52oho41k3s4op/SkylordsRebornUpdater.zip/file Make sure you have Visual C++ redistributables for 2015 installed. Make sure you install the x86 version of the redist (vc_redist86.exe)! You can download that here: https://www.microsoft.com/en-US/download/details.aspx?id=48145 YOU DO NOT NEED TO RE-DOWNLOAD THE CLIENT IF YOU PRE-DOWNLOADED IT. THE UPDATER WILL HELP WITH THIS. Checksum at end of post. Be mindful that the game will not function without any of these files. Once you have the files on your computer, running the updater (skylordsrebornupdater.exe) should start the game correctly. 
    How do I log in to the server?
    In Skylords Reborn, you will be able to enter the server using your forum account! Your forum account will be linked to the game, allowing for quests, rewards, and statistics to work in the future. If you haven't already, you can create your account over here: https://forum.skylords.eu/index.php?/register/
    My game won't start! What do I do?
    Before making a Technical Support Topic to contact staff, please consider the following:
    Whether you have attempted logging in using your email address. Forum account name does not work! Whether you have both the client files and the launcher Whether you have the correct C++ Redisttributables installed (see the link above) Whether you are running the launcher as an administrator Whether you have extracted the files of both .RAR archives correctly in the same folder Whether your computer can run the game. Check the minimum system requirements below:
    CPU: Single Core 1.8Ghz
    CPU Speed: Core 1.8Ghz
    RAM: Windows XP - 512MB, Vista and Windows 7+ - 1GB
    OS: Windows XP (with service pack 2) Vista, Windows 7 or higher. Other OSes require WineHQ (Unless further stated, we can NOT currently help with WineHQ issues, and we cannot guarantee SR working on them.)
    Video Card: 128MB NVIDIA GeForce 6 Series+ / ATI Radeon 9500+
    Be mindful that your virus scanner may flag our updater files, you should whitelist them or turn off your antivirus/firewall temporarily. DO NOT try to mount .RAR files as an image or extract .RAR files with an image mounting program such as Daemon Tools or MagicDisc. This will not make your game function! If you encounter any problems, please troubleshoot using this topic: 
    If none of that works, follow the instructions in the topic above in order to create a Technical Support Topic (or find the solution in someone else's topic!). Please refrain from contacting staff members directly for your issues, and wait for a response to your support topic.

    Will I be able to use my old account?
    No. As we are not EA we do not have access to your old accounts and never will, so you will have to create a new one and start from scratch. We know this is annoying but there is no way for us to retrieve account information. At least you can play the game again though!

    What are the current features in the Open Stress Test?
    The game is incomplete! Am I doing something wrong?
    Help! I can't play a certain game mode!
    Remember, this is currently an Open Stress Test (and therefore a Restricted Beta). There are many features that are inaccessible right now, and we will be working on in the meantime. Features that will work in the current version of the game are:

    AVAILABLE:
    Game Auto-Updater The Forge (including chat, friends, groups, auction house, store, deck creation, and so on) All single-player, 2-player, 4-player and 12-player PvE maps All Random PvE maps Custom maps PvE Map Progression Unranked PvP, 1v1 and 2v2 on all maps Ranked PvP Modes, ELO and Matchmaking systems Daily BFP distribution Daily Quests Achievements Token system removal and overhaul Boosted gold for quicker progression New Loot Lists/Upgrade Drops (check out THIS thread) Promo cards (small chance to get in boosters) Boosters containing all cards Temporary BFP prices for boosters New starter decks Staff recognisability In-game report system A half-powered Anti-Cheat system PvE and RPvE speedrun Leaderboards Features that are currently NOT in the game but will be present in future beta iterations will include:

    CURRENTLY UNAVAILABLE:
    Booster and reward pricing (BFP values subject to change) A fully-powered Anti-Cheat system Features that we have decided to scrap from the game due to technical limitations will include:
    PERMANENTLY UNAVAILABLE:
    Tomes and Tome Modes Element of Conversion, Creation, Concealment (We might implement different systems) We will mostly attempt to block access to features that are currently not supported by the game. However, it is forbidden to try and access these features. If we find you crashing the server through attempting to access a currently unavailable feature, your account may be suspended.
    The Unavailable features have NO SET RELEASE TIME. There is no planned date to release these features to the current game state. If we have any dates, we will keep you updated!
    Then how will I earn BFP in this Open Stress Test?
    Every day, you will get earn quests. Completing these will grant you BFP. There are also achievements that grant extra rewards like boosters or BFP. Daily quests reset daily at 10:00 UTC. 
    In the future, we will net you BFP for playtime using a soft-cap system. This is currently not in place. 
    BFP, BOOSTER, PLAYTIME AND GOLD REWARDS ARE NOT FINAL, AND ARE SUBJECT TO CHANGE AT ANY TIME.
    Can you buy/sell BFP for real money?
    Absolutely not! People who are noted to sell or attempt to buy BFP or any in-game content with real money may be banned from playing the game at all, and have their accounts reset. We take no responsibility whatsoever in any lost money or in-game content. We don't sell BFP for a very good reason as this project is allowed to exist due to the fact that we are making zero profit or income from the game, which would be using someone else's ideas and content for claiming money. If you buy or sell in-game content, you are essentially doing the same thing and this could put both you as well as the entire project at risk of being shut down. Additionally, your accounts will get wiped anyway, so any money spent on the game right now is a SCAM. Play the game the way it's meant to be played, don't multiaccount and don't use your real money. Buy yourself or someone dear to you a drink instead!

    Then how will I earn Gold and Upgrades in this Open Stress Test?
    Since tokens have been removed from the game entirely, you will earn gold instead through playing Randomly Generated PvE, Sparring PvP, and disenchanting upgrades found in Campaign PvE maps. The upgrade drops have been changed, and you can find the new loot list in this topic:
    BFP, BOOSTER, PLAYTIME AND GOLD REWARDS ARE NOT FINAL, AND ARE SUBJECT TO CHANGE AT ANY TIME.
    Will I keep any cards, BFP, gold, rewards, ranks, etc. that I earn during Open Stress Testing?
    Will there be account resets?
    You will NOT carry over any account progression or rewards from the game's beta stage onto its release. During the Open Stress Test, your accounts may be reset several times, resulting in a permanent loss of cards, BFP, gold, etc. Account resets can occur at any time. We will try out best to limit the amount of account resets to 1-3 times across the entire transition to Release. Once the project has finished its beta stage in full (or we state otherwise), there will be no more account resets. We can't emphasise enough that your late-night grinding sessions will not end up in the release build of Skylords Reborn, so mind that while scheduling your playtime!
    When "..."?
    I have mentioned our lack of clarity on release dates elaborately several times in the past, but here's a quote for future reference:

    What are the new Starter Decks?
    With what cards will we start?
    Compared to the old BattleForge, we have changed the starter decks around to freshen things up and provide some more variety! Everybody will start with the following two decks:


    However, that's not all! We wouldn't just force you to all start with playing Fire and Frost, so you're all going to get 5 T1 cards for Shadow, and 5 T1 cards for Nature as well:


    Bigger images:
    List of cards in alphabetical order:

    Is the game the same as the old BattleForge we know?
    Yes. The features that we implement will stick closely to what the old game was like. There will, however, be some tweaks and changes due to the free-to-play nature of this project. There will be changes in BFP pricing, daily quests, rewards, and tomes will not exist. Please look at the FAQ for more information (link at the end of this thread)
    Is this the fully released version of Skylords Reborn?
    Can you improve the base game already?
    No, this is not a fully released version of the Skylords Reborn project. Many Beta iterations may follow. Features you see and encounter are subject to change. We want to get the base game up first, and if we can make quality-of-life changes on the road, we will. The Open Stress Test is not a stage in which we only try to "improve" or change the gameplay in any way.
    Will you add new cards/maps/etc now, then?
    No. We might not at all, but if we do, it will be AFTER the Open Stress Test has been concluded.
    Oi! I found a bug! What now?
    How do I report a bug?
    Please refer to the "Report A Bug" forum, and particularly this topic:
    Can I stream/record Skylords Reborn content during the Open Stress Test?
    Since this is an exciting moment to allow more members into the game, we understand the desire to record and stream your SR games. We allow you to do this, provided that you add the that the game is currently in a Beta stage in your video or stream description. This is required in order to point out that the game is buggy and not in its final state to whoever watches your streams, protecting our project's current quality and community expectations. Note that anything you say or do on stream is considered as unofficial, stream responsibly and at your own risk. If you spread any misinformation or fake news, your account may be suspended indefinitely. Please use the word "Beta" in your video/stream title. An example of a good disclaimer is:
    You are not forced in any way to advertise the project, but we would greatly appreciate if you could also include the following line in your descriptions in order to bring more attention and support to the project, which may in turn increase the project's lifespan, community size, and eventual server population:
    So, simply put, just abide by these 3 points and you're good to go:
    Add a beta disclaimer in your video/stream title and/or description Don't spread any false information Please include the links above if you want to help the project out Will you be hiring mods now that we have an open phase up and running?
    We have successfully hired 4 new moderators, @Bucky, @Ragenarok and @armu for Discord, and @Scourge for the forums.

    What will happen to the old beta forums and discord sections?
    Bug report sections and suggestions will be merged into the public forums, and the beta forums will be archived and hidden to non-staff.
    Closed beta testing discord channels and ranks will remain open for the testing of upcoming patches.
    What will happen to closed beta testers?
    Will Open Stress Testers get a fancy name and badge?
    Closed beta testers will retain their rank badge and discord colour, but get no more permissions than regular members. Since everybody can access the game freely, members will not be assigned a badge or title. You will not receive a badge or title upon release, due to everybody having access right now. Rewards may be up for discussion in the future, but are not a given.

     
    TOURNAMENTS?!
    COMMUNITY CHALLENGE?!
    OFFICIAL STREAMS?!
    KILL ME.
    Later.

    The forums and Discord are English. Can I talk in my own language in-game?
    Will the Forum Rules apply in-game?
    The forum rules apply in-game, with one major exception: Rule 1.1. You don't have to talk English in-game, and we are more flexible with cursing. On the forums and Discord, you are required to talk in English to keep the community together and the topics understandable for the majority of our users, if not everyone. In-game, though, we more than understand that you talk in whatever language you're comfortable with and that's fine. However, mind that Rule 1 still applies, and that harassment, insulting, flaming, and other inappropriate behaviour can result in penalties or account suspension. Don't go out of line with this exception.

    I have seen someone cheat, flame, or severely break the rules. Where do I report this?
    The "/report" function in the in-game works. You can also report this behaviour directly to the Moderation Team (Moderators and the Community Manager) on the forums or discord. Please refer to https://forum.skylords.eu/index.php?/topic/6402-introducing-modmail5460-our-new-bot-for-contacting-mods-on-discord-guide/ when reporting on discord.
    I am the victim of a bug that made me lose in-game content. Will I be refunded?
    I have abused in-game features or lost in-game content due to moderation or penalisation. Will I be refunded?
    Do not count on any of your in-game content being refunded in any testing phase. Bugs happen, and we're always working on fixing them. We don't currently have the time or see the necessity of granting any refunds for any bugs or infringements. We would rather work on fixing bugs than to spend the time we could work in to handle these refund cases when your accounts will be reset anyway. Rule infringements can result in full account resets, and we will never be refunding any data in these cases. 

    I have another question!
    But wait... there's more!
    Alright, that's cool! Before you continue, however, please read the FAQ and see if you can find your question answered over there:
     
    If you can't, please use the forum's search function to find any threads that may have your question in it. If your question really isn't answered yet, feel free to create a thread, or contact me or any moderation team member directly.

    We hope you are now up-to-date on what's going on in the Open Stress Test and how to get there. Please remember that this topic may be updated with new questions and answers as they arise, so be sure to check this topic again before you ask a question, just to be sure

    That's all! We hope you enjoy your time in the world of Nyn and help the game and its community grow together! As always, I'm hugely grateful for all your support, and we wouldn't be here without you all. Keep up the good spirits, you're all fantastic beings. See you in the forge, and may the forge be with you!  
     
    Can someone add those checksum values to the download topic please? I thought I sent them to you guys a long time ago. But either they didn't get added to it or they were lost when someone changed it.
    That will give the users the possibility to check if their downloads are fine. At least for some little more experienced users who heard the word `checksum` once in their life.

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    Checksum-Information
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    Name: BattleForge.rar
    Size: 5307589968 Bytes (5061 MB)
    CRC32:    F3E0B49E
    CRC64:    72BCE6DDE51A926B
    MD5:      D4184425C5573B106714DBBF525DA3C5
    SHA1:     B411782EF4034310A655B9E4DD100EA057B29374
    SHA256:   E6456C335B004A1E77DD6BBCA0F27ECF22389F2DBE7A66624C5B1C4471865F26
    BLAKE2sp: 1D7624B734EB372D5F59830B38DB25A6528890BE8A7D33E5CC43E0B10914DF82
     
  18. LagOps liked a post in a topic by Karl Lavafeld in How to make PvP more attractive (Discussion)   
    I agree to everything stated but Imo it's only part of the problem. The game also needs more pvp players to provide a healthy pvp experience. Especially for new players. I tell from my silver or gold elo perspective. Atm you can play through the ladder to top 50 in 20 games or so. 
    Allready back in the days under EA it was like that. 
    2-3 game vs players that do nothing then leave. 
    Then some games vs player that not have basic knowledge of the game. F. E. do things like play defencive towers so you can just grab wells instead fight. 
    Then some OK games. 
    And then you reached top 50 and must face veterans. Some of the games might still be ok but you also allready might get crushed by them. 
    Summerized short we have too less games of each elo or too less players. And I doubt there are so many waiting for the reset. I guess we would need about 3000 pvp players online at one time to make a healthy pvp experience. 
     
    What can we do? Is it allowed for you to do any sort of promotion after release? Like events or let big influencers do a video on it. You should support any people like @Toggy that do events and broadcast skylords reborn. Imo you shoud gather ideas for promote the game in any way. The game has incredible unused potential. 
    Kind Regards 
  19. LagOps liked a post in a topic by Kubik in How to make PvP more attractive (Discussion)   
    As I already said:
    adding/removing "official" maps to/from the ranked pool is literally 1 number, and 1 comma in the code.
    random maps have one (not publicly disclosed) disadvantage for us, but if team decide to add them it is same as above. (Fiki is working on solution to get rid of that disadvantage)
    random maps was not removed from ranked pool, I need to write that pool from scratch, and I did not know EA have them in ranked pool so because of the disadvantage I did not add them.
    adding community maps would be much more complicated, especially because EA's file checking is broken, because each player can have different map just with same name.
    Zyna, and Ladadoos should be already working on converting community map to "official" map, and after that it would be same as above.
    Changing units/cards on test server is not a problem, changing it ONLY on test server is, because of how EA made the game (this one actually is not blame to them). Aviator is working on new updater, that will allow us to overcome this issue. (But MrXLink said no changes before release)
  20. Kubik liked a post in a topic by LagOps in How to make PvP more attractive (Discussion)   
    Your comments about t1 imbalance, i fully agree with. nature and frost t1 both are not up too par (for different reasons and it would be hard to find balanced fixes for this imo. damn, now i wrote an essay about it... again...).
    still, we should also examine fire and shadow t1 as well as they do contain some quite problematic elements. mostly it's the towers, but i feel that overall, ranged units seem too dominant in t1. in almost any matchup a ranged unit spam is par of the course (with some exceptions in the form of thugs spam, which needs a nerf), where as in t2 you can see much more variety in units being played. as there are 2 primary ranged units per faction, this often leads to a real lack of variety in what is being played and the ranged units matchup is a big part of why nature t1 and frost t1 fail as well.
    this is especially prominent in the nature t1 vs. shadow t1 matchup, where you can't even dare to start with a swift unit as the nature player on the vast majority of maps. you can forget about dryads as well for the most part and you usually start spearmen and hope your lack of swift does not get abused too hard when you so much as dare to take a well. your t1 basically got reduced to two s units, none of them swift (unless you play werebeast but i am not convinced of those yet). I don't see how your suggested changes would fix this. with the amazon buff, fire t1 would be in real trouble tho. I think the cost reduction on the swap is too much to ask for as it can already be quite usefull. I get that you want it to be better vs. split attacks, but this is going overboard. scavangers already need to avoid the unit due to the damage reduction, which helps quite a bit. Main problem with this is also that it doesn't help vs. shadow (pretty much nothing aside from -5 on werebeasts is), which means that we have a matchup specific solution only, which might get a problem if you want to further buff the faction to do better vs. shadow t1 as well.
     
    i'm not saying that counters should not exists, but in t1 it has gotten to a point where you can just entirely forget playing certain units in certain matchups. even in some very problematic t2 matchups, it is rarely this one-dimensional in terms of unit-viability. in t2 you see burrowers being played into pure fire decks and harvesters against frost-splashes. even if viable counters exist, those cards aren't just removed from the game like it is the case with t1 and can turn the game if used in the appropriate situation. T1 tho? Not so much. In some matchups you are basically playing half a deck and that just isn't going to work out. i feel this needs to be adressed if we want to have a properly balanced t1, but i don't think it would be possible to find the support needed to make this happen, so best can likely do is buff frost t1 and nature t1 into viability somehow, which comes with its own set of issues:
     
    nature t1 is amazing when there are 3-4+ units on the field and some power is avialable for spells. cc often gauarantees favorable trades and allows to kite back and heal units without much counterplay in open field. damage reduction, s unit counter spell, mele unit counterspell, units with heals, archers with multishot and a very good healing spell, not to forget shamans, all scale like crazy into mid and late t1. problem is, as you pointed out, that this advantage is gone when split attacks are used and the units are costly on top of it, so you can really abuse the faction hard.
    but what is the fix to that supposed to be like? Make the units cheaper and you will hit the power-spike sooner, making the faction really good in a mid-fight without wells and a terror in late t1. On the other hand, so much of nature t1's power comes from the synery with cc and heals, so you most likely can still chesse the faction as usual. Don't get me wrong, it's entirely ok that the faction has issues when dealing with split attacks or otherwise low power levels. It's just too extreme to properly balance that out considering just how well the faction scales. You often feel forced to just go t2 as otherwise you are pretty much guaranteed to get steamrolled if you don't play t1 towers.
    Personally i think some of the utility nature t1 has needs to adjusted while the units get a bit of a buff to be able to hold their own on low power levels. the t1 heal is really strong, especially considering cc and damage reduction can be used to juggle damage and keep units alive. root and hurricane destory the vast majority of staple units of other factions in late t1, which in my opinion is really out of line. the issues are not as prevalent in t2, where cc is ubiquitous and cost efficient aoe damage spells present some working counters.
     
    frost t1 is so map dependent and passive, it's not even funny. aside from the loss of map control and the voulnerability to swift unit rushes, the faction can barely fight in open field, has problems counterattacking (at large well distances. good luck grabbing a clost well tho, since the enemy would love to fight you in open field and you have no swift) and lacks any sort of meaningful engage to start a fight (if you do it right, you can just mass firesworn vs. frost t1 without giving much of a change for the enemy to go t2 and make them lose because they can't force a fight. it's just really dumb!). In short, 90% of the time you are forced to play reactively and hope the enemy messes up somehow (like walking into an obvious gylph of frost in a mid-fight). on the bright side, any non-cheese attacks likely don't get very far. home soil, glacier shell and ice guardians are so good at defending single wells, most player don't even try anymore. but how on earth do you buff frost? make the units good enough to reliably counter swift spamm cheese tactics? what about large maps? what about mid-fights? what if you want to engage without having your ig kitet around?
    let's say you managed to fix those issues somehow, but then what? how am i supposed to attack frost t1 then? standard attacks are not working out already it will only be worse if the faction is buffed. do i still get to try the swift unit cheese even if failure is much more likely? if that strat goes bad, it tends to go really, really bad. the matches would essentially be very volatile and still very map dependent.
     
    In short, frost t1 and nature t1 are problematic and fixing them without, making them op in situations those decks already excell at, will be much harder than excpected.

    As for pvp maps, i really think we should have a contest, preferably an official one where maps get added to the ranked pool. Making good maps takes quite a bit of effort and it sucks not seing them played at all and maybe just winning a few bfp in a contest. I agree that with some measure of care taken for cliffs, center of map balance, map size and t2 oppertunities, we can make some really good and interesting maps and it would be great to roll out new maps for when the game gets released. This should be really low effort for the devs, since the community is going to be in charge of making those maps and voting for them in the end. Since it was already possible to remove random maps from the ranked pool, i am hoping it should be rather easy to add maps as well.
  21. LagOps liked a post in a topic by RadicalX in How to make PvP more attractive (Discussion)   
    I am fully convinced, that PvP in Battleforge is a fantastic gamemode, but has certain flaws, that we might need to adress in order to make the game mode more attractive, especially for newer people. I want to make a longer post to get a discussion going about what we can do to get a more attractive gamemode and a larger playerbase, especially post reset. I'm following the current thread, where new player experience got discussed, which mainly focussed onto reward system, so I will move away from that in this thread, trying to adress some other problems and possible solutions. If you are looking for the discussion it is linked below. 
     
    Balancing
    While there was alot of dicussion in the seperate balancing discord, we haven't seen any progress for a while, because access to the testserver has benn denied. In terms of PvP balancing we somewhat got to a consensus about what needs to be adressed, but it was hard to find a solution that really fixes the problem. We really need access to the testserver in order to make a progression, so we can implement changes, that make the majority of players happy 
     
    What I'd like to talk about the most is the T1 diversity. With Nature and Frost being very underwhelming, alot of deck variety gets shut downed, especially for 1v1s. With only Shadow and Fire T1 being consistently viable at a high level, the amount of T1 matchups we can watch, consists of:
    Fire vs Fire - Shadow vs Fire - Shadow vs Shadow
    This is only a small part of what would be possible. If all T1's would achieve a "viable state" we could see 7 additional T1 matchups:
    Nature vs Nature -Nature vs Shadow -Nature vs Fire  - Frost vs Frost - Frost vs Nature - Frost vs Shadow - Frost vs Fire  
    In order to win with Frost or Nature you either have to play much better than your opponent or abuse the enemies inexperience with the matchup, which just is not a consistent win condition, especially if you want these factions to be played more frequently. With a static gamestate alot of people get frustrated about the current balancing situation. 
    In addition to that, there are 3 T2s (pure Nature, stonekin, pure Frost), that completely get shut downed by this deficit. Their T2 strength is actually decent, but you just don't want to play that frost or nature T1. 
     
    Back then I really advocated nerfs to mortar and Phasetower and I'm still fully supporting this idea. It is not possible to make healthy balancing changes around these two cards with their current stat cost efficiency and an almost nonexisting building counter system in the early stages of the game. That said, in order to fix the entire T1 issues, we need to adress more than just these two cards (but that would make a good first step). 
    Nature is too weak at defending a +1 well situation. Even after taking a lead in initial fights, you won't be able to well up as split attacks are just destroying the faction, that can't fight on low unit number with these units being super expensive. Similar issues occur once you get into a T1 vs T2 situation with more bound power than your opponent. The dps/power against M and L units is just way to low in order to allow healthy defences. 
    Frost got gutted through Homesoil getting nerfed and the faction can't fight on open ground effectively. You always need a power well close to your unit in order to contest. Against Mortar and Phasetower you can't even win these close well situations making things alot worse.
     
    Current proposals from the skylords balancing discord:
    Phasetower: 
    Nerf idea 1: Decrease the damage by roughly 20% 
    Nerf idea 2: Increase the cost per Tower by 10  
     
    Mortar:
    Nerf idea 1: Increased costs by roughly 15 power 
    Nerf idea 2: Cooldown increase 
    Nerf idea 3: Adding an initial cooldown to weaken the card against high tempo. 
     
    These are different single nerf ideas and NOT a single combined proposal!  
     
     
    Maps
    I've seen many players (especially newer ones) complaining about the map pool and also some people seem to dislike map X for various reasons. Just to give some examples. 
    -> Lajesh has Walls close to the main base. Once you make a mistake and give one up to the opponent, he might win the game of that, especially in lower elos. 
    -> Some people seem to dislke Yrmia for making some matchups very difficult to play
    -> Alot of people dislike Whazai as you can cliff onto the main base.  
    While there is the issues of generated maps not being included to the ranked pool for some reason, I think it might be a good thing to just widen the map pool rather than reworking the existing PvP maps. I think we could work out some more balanced, fun and interactive maps to get less repetitive games. High ranked players could work around some balanced maps and we've got really good map creators, who could easily create those maps if they're willing to work with us here. After some testing you could consider which new maps might be introduced into the new ranked pool, which would give us some fresh, new content. 
     
    What does a good map need? 
    I think we need some different maps, that adress different kind of win conditions to give different decks and playstyles small advantages or disadvantages. Battleforge has very low RNG based components in the game, so games might feel repetitive on the same map, if you play the same matchup or player many times in a row. 
     
    1) The amount of Monuments 
    I think having a range from 7-8 is the best number for orbs on 1v1 maps. 
    2) Orb placement
    I think T2 should be easily achiveable for both parties. Maps like Uro do have this poor condition, where Frost doesn't get to T2 without contesting it, which is really bad. T2 should be uncontestable, for T3 the case can be different. Lajesh for example has good orb placements in my opinion. If the map is played without offensive wall action, it can provide strategically interesting gameplay. 
    3) Well distance
    Needs to be carefully selected as there are alot of components, that make matchups either toxic or snowbally 
    4) Center of the map
    Can grant a strategic advantage due to shorter attack paths, but shouldn't be a win condition itself as some colors simply can't contest in these early fights. The center on Simai is a good example for a healthy  center positioning.
    5) Terrain/Cliffing
    Choke points are very important to increase the value of cc and AoE, while open space allows more micro management based fighting. In addition to that, important well & orb positions shouldn't be accessable by cliffs to avoid long range Sieges without proper counterplay. 
     
    There are more important aspects, but this could be discussed internally with the people, that are willing to work on these kind of map creations. In the end there could be community votings, if a finished map should be included into the ranked PvP pool. Maybe there could be specific tournaments to promote and test these maps beforehand.    
     
     
    Activity requirements
    I think they are straight up too high. 1 match per day is way too much for a game like Battleforge in order to stay relevant in the leaderboards. Right now alot of players are inactive and aren't motivated to play 30 ranked games with long que times, lower game quility compared to current sparring matches & the low comparability based off your current rank. There are probably about 
    Suggestion: Lower the acitivy requirements to about 10 games per month. This makes the leaderboards alot more interesting and meaningful, because you can compare yourself to a much larger playerbase as base elo is the much more relevant stat. Since we are a rather small community I feel like this is important to keep people motivated after dropping inactive.
     
    Player Base
    We need a higher amount of players to enable fairer matchmaking. There are large skill gaps in and they lead to very snowball based games. Top 5 base elo beats Top 20 base elo with 90%+ wr, Top 20 base elo beats Top 50 base elo with 90%+ wr etc. leading to very frustrating game experiences between stomping and getting stomped. Games are very fast and you don't really get to enjoy the game, especially when you haven't experienced the great games of PvP, that happen upon facing an enemy on a similar skill level. 
    Ideas for improvements: 
    -> Increased game promotion to attract newer players 
    -> Support the current Tournaments like the Stress Test Open 
     
     
    Overall it would be nice to collect some ideas on what we could do, to give people a better experience while playing PvP, especially post reset. So let me know your ideas, so I can implement them into this thread.
     
    TL DR;
    -> Balancing changes are important: Getting a testserver to evaluate proposals would be huge to make progress
    -> Adding more maps would be nice, maybe someone of the community map creators could work with PvP players on this
    -> Activity requirements are too high, especially when there is a rather low ranked participation
    -> We need to build up a solid player base after the reset (attract new players, keep the current ones)
     
     
    Best regards, 
    RadicalX
  22. LagOps liked a post in a topic by Karl Lavafeld in Skylords Reborn Community Challenge #1: New Map "Into the Jungle1" - 15000 BFP price pool!   
    Hello fellow Skylords,
    Check out the new awesome map "Into the Jungle1" !!! The map and scripts have been created by "Emmaerzeh", "Kyriel" and "Perendi". Special thanks to all those who helped in testing and translating.

     Description:

    It is a 2 player PvE map set in jungle scenery. Various enemies of the nature faction have to be defeated on your way to the ultimate boss: The King of the Forest Elders. He has blessed some of his nature creatures with a magical aura that prevents your ranged attacks. If marked camps are not destroyed within respective time limits, he will summon swarms of flying units to attack you.
     
    Card Restrictions:
    To ensure diversity and encourage new strategies, some cards are not allowed on the map:
    -Amii Monument
    -Enlightenment
    -Mark of the Keeper
    -Wheel of Gifts
    -Nightguard (both affinities)
    Using any of these cards in-game results in a default loss.
     
    Competition:
    To further promote the map, it will revive and continue the old tradition of community challenges.
    -Competition period: 01 November 2019 – 31 December 2019
    -Prices will be given out at 02 January 2020
     
    Prices:
    -Fastest 2 player run:              3000 BFP (1500 each)
    -Second fastest 2 player run:   2000 BFP (1000 each)
    -Third fastest 2 player run:      1000 BFP (500 each)
     
    -Fastest 1 player run:              1500 BFP
    -Second fastest 1 player run:   1000 BFP
    -Third fastest 1 player run:       500 BFP
     
    Besides the speedrun category, there will also be prices for creative/ stylish attempts. The determination of the winner of this contest is subject to my discretion.
    -Most creative or most stylish 2 player attempt : 3000 BFP  (1500 each)
    -Second most creative or most stylish 2 player attempt : 2000 BFP  (1000 each)
    -Third most creative or most stylish 2 player attempt : 1000 BFP  (500 each)
     
    A big thank you to all voluntary sponsors of the event:
    - 1000 BFP Eudoxos
    -   300 BFP by dersuchti
    -Further donations are very much welcome
     
    Additional Rules:
    -The competition uses the map version "IntoTheJungle1.pak".
    -The map has to be played on expert difficulty.
    -It is not allowed to share monuments in any way in a 2 player run, this means at the given camps 1 of the monuments is for each player, including tier 1 starting orbs.
    -This rule does not apply for 1 player runs in which you are allowed to take available orbs freely.
    -For 2 player runs each team is allowed to submit 2 replays, 1 for speedrun, 1 for style run category.
    -Everyone may additionally participate with a 1 player speedrun replay.
    -Players can only be part of one team for their submission, hence if "Player A" submits a replay with "Player B", he cannot also submit a replay with "Player C".
     
    In order not to limit the speedrun prize pool to possibly only a few traditional players, each player can only receive 1 prize.
    -If successfully participating in multiple categories one will only receive the highest prize money earned.
    -The priority for which category the prize money will be received if you win multiple prizes of the same value is: 2 player speedrun, 2player style run and 1 player speedrun lastly .
    -The prize money for other runs will instead be given to the next best player/team along the ranking, replacing their original reward and shifting all other prizes one rank down.
    -The position in the ranking will not be affected by this.
    -All winning replays will later be published and attached to this post and a selection of the best will be uploaded to YouTube with explanatory commentary by RadicalX.
     
    Participation Guidelines:
    -To participate, you may not violate any of the rules above. This will be verified by me.
    -Make your final replay (file format is .pmv) available to me via Discord before 01 January 2020 UTC+1 and indicate whether it is a stylerun or speedrun. My Discord name is Emmaerzeh#0240. You can also find me on the official Skylords Reborn Discord Server.
    -You can update your replay submission during the time of the competition any number of times.
    -It is not allowed to pressure the event organizer or other participants to publish tips or replays.
     
    Known Bugs:
    -The Burrower and Swamp Drakes show wrong names if you click on them (that is a mistake in the editor which cannot be changed).
    -Replays of community maps sometimes do not show up in the game Replay viewing selection. This issue has been reported to the developers. A workaround is to open another lobby of a Community Map first and then go to the Replay viewing selection again. Or try close the game, copy the replay to another place, rename it and copy it back to the replay folder. If the replay there shows the gear as an indicator of being broken or outdated, try again later and make sure you have the "IntoTheJungle1.pak" file in your C:\Users\<username>\Documents\BattleForge\map folder. (Auto)saved replays can be found alongside the same path in the folder […]\replays.
    -If you find any other bugs, report them to me.
     
    Current Ranking:
    These are the best currently submitted speedrun times. Styleruns will be determined at the end of the challenge. To foster competition early on it is more fun if you tell your best time right away and do not wait until the last second. Of course, both ways are allowed.
     
    2 player speedruns:
    1. LEBOVIN + Pritstift            15:44 min
    2. Douglas + Dersuchti        24:04 min
    3.[Names] [Time]
     
    Styleruns:
    1. DieBieneMaya + Edlend 
    2. LEBOVIN + Pritstift 
    3.[Names]
     
    1 player speedruns:
    1. Pritstift                  23:11 min
    2. [Name] [Time]
    3. [Name] [Time]
     
    Downloads:
    -Attached you will find the map file which you first have to unpack and then save in your C:\Users\<username>\Documents\BattleForge\map folder. Alternatively, the map can be downloaded directly in game. Make sure to have older versions deleted.
    -Later I will add the collection of replays that won in this challenge.
     
    I wish you the best of luck and lots of fun exploring the jungle!
    Karl Lavafeld (Emmaerzeh)
     
    IntoTheJungle1.rar
  23. LagOps liked a post in a topic by Toggy in The Stress Test Open#12! 20.10.19   
    Hello fellow Skylords!
    After a long Summbreak it is time to step into the arena again and prove your battle prowess to all the fellow skylords! Who will win the Stress Test Open#12?
     
    Format?
    It will be a 1vs1 Double Elimination best of 3 tournament, the grand final will be best of 5 (one match, no reset). Winner and losers finals will be all played on stream.
     
    Prize Pool! (The more people participate, the bigger it will get)
    1st place  - 1000 BFP + Netherwarp (g)
    2nd place - 750 BFP + Colossus
    3rd place - 500 BFP + Lost Spirit Ship
    4th place - 300 BFP + Juggernaut
    5th-last place - 100 BFP
     
     
    When?
    On 20.10.19  starting on 4pm CEST(Berlin time), the stream will start about 30 minutes in advance.
     
    Where?
    In the Sparring grounds, get the community observer maps to enable observers/streaming.
    =>LINK<=
    Extract the folder to Documents/Battleforge/
    Important: Due to problems with other observer versions of these maps please clear you mapfolder before extracting the observermaps.
     
    Organisation?
    The tournament brackets will be on Challonge, so register and join the tournament there. Please use your in game account name to make communication and finding your enemy easier.
    =>LINK TO CHALLONGE<=
    The streaming channel that will be covering the tournament is DasToggy on twitch.tv .
    In case of problems contact me or one of my mods via Discord or Battleforge.
    A list of tournament mods and organizers: DasToggy, Karlmann
     
    Rules!
    -No bugabuse, cheating or insulting the other players. Penalties may vary from a warning to default loss.
    -Disconnection during a game results in a default loss. If both sides agree it is possible to have a remake.
    -Not showing up to your match with after 15 minutes results in a default loss. The plan is to play a round of matches every ~30 mins.
    -After your match go to Challonge and insert the result. That is done by clicking on your match and selecting the winner/stats . The brackets will be updated automatically.
    -The Map Pool is: Haladur, Simai, Wazhai, Elyon, Lajesh and Uro (same pool as in ranked duel). The first match of the round will be played on Haladur, then it is losers choice. Second round will start with Simai, third one... you get the drill.
    -The brackets for the tournament will be shuffled before the tournament starts.
    -As an experiment, no T1 Towers will be allowed in this tournament (Mortar, Phase, Ice shield, Primal Defender). Other supportive stuctures (like Ice barrier) are free to use.
     
     
    Reply in this thread if you have questions, I will check it out later.
    I would love to see this community grow again and the competitive scene develop aswell.
     
    Best regards,
    DasToggy
  24. LagOps liked a post in a topic by RadicalX in Balance changes to game   
    I think a set of balancing changes would be able to influence both PvP and PvE in a positive way.
    PvE casual: 
    From my perspective the casual player benefits from changes because it would open up more variety and playable decks. Splash decks are able to do everything (and even more) compared to pure and faction based decks making them underwhelming to play. Also by having all core advantages that factions provide (Crowd Control, Void Manipulation, Charge Manipulation, damage reductions and healing combined with a mobile high dps unit composition) you don't have to play as a team in order to suceed. I think every faction should get more unique strengths. In addition to that some dead abilities could be fixed by small changes to make them more useful and units more interactive. Right now you usually lose tempo and dps in most fights as abilities are expensive with a high cast time and low to medium effects. 
     
    PvE Speedrunning: 
    I think the only negative aspect regarding balaning would be within the PvE speedrun setting. They want to have a fair competition and with constant changes around cards this aspect is not given anymore for cPvE alltime records. Certain nerfs may weaken current strategies and certain buffs may open up new superior ones. 
    By looking at the games history I think nerfs regarding PvE were justified and made the game a little bit healthier overall. Lost Spirit Ship, Second Chance, FoF+ embalmer + Splicer void manipulation fixes were good first steps. Overall I think some changes do make speedrunning more interesting as it forces people to create new strategies and not play current ones to perfection to get extra seconds. I'd clearly like to see the new T4 strategies without Batariel & LSS being super dominant. That may just be my opinion though. 
    In the case where changes are applied they should be brought up in a way that allows speedrunners to have a fair competition: 
    -> If changes are applied please do it at the start of the month to allow a fair competition. If there is some big nerf applied in the middle of a month records aren't comparable anymore. 
     
    PvP 
    I think there is a crystal clear consenous, that PvP players want changes. But we need to be very cautious about who is in charge of those changes. I don't think being at the top of the ladder directly qualifies a person to work on healthy balancing ideas. I've seen very questionable balancing ideas from people, that are reasonably high in the ladder. Majority votes also lead to some terrible decisions by EA back then. Alot of things need to be discussed in order to find the correct cards that need to be changed and also find healthy changes. 
     
    I think the forum is the best place to discuss changes to have an open discussion due to better visibility of older posts. 
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