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Economy is irrelevant compared to balance. Pvp is a mode incapable of functioning without everyone being on a level playing field in card stats. No matter how long or eloquently you try to argue to get rid of free pvp decks it's pointless because no argument you can make will be worth essentially removing the pvp mode all together.

This thread was about something else. Not about how much skill speedrunning needs, not about new categories. It's about an increasing mass of players who engage in the most braindead + overefficient goldfarm ever known to casual players. Some people find this problematic.

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Pure Frost PvE Guide – How to hit hard as hail
 
@Dallarian – author
@Weak1ings – substantive support
@boots - editor
 
Europe, February 2021
 
 
 
When you enter the cavern, overwhelming noise disappears, leaving only howling wind, allowing you to thought over your situation. You are shivering. You expected Frost part of Forge to be cold, but having to go through Maelstrom to get there was a bit too much. What they were thinking off?
Anyway, the cave. It is completely frozen, yet floor is not slippery. As you walk down the corridor, you notice that walls are gently shining, giving just enough blue light to continue the journey. After a while you reach large chamber. There are two people facing formation of crystals under one of walls, something what you think could be a table, and many passages deeper into the cave. Walls are covered by numerous maps, banners and crystals. As you approach, one person turns around and you recognise him as your friend Wazhai, who told you about this place. He comes to greet you, while the other person stays still.
Wazhai: Ah, you made it. It wasn’t that bad, was it? I hope you enjoyed your journey. Now officially, welcome to Order of the Battleships.
You: It’s a pleasure. I see this place isn’t too crowded.
Wazhai: It’s not that bad. We’re mostly active at nights, when Sun is gone.
Your friend turns to the person in blue robe.
Wazhai: He is the person I told you about.
Dallarian: A new disciple? Excellent. Wazhai, please show him Moonlight Chamber. Prepare Skylord, there are many challenges awaiting.
The person you suspect to be The Old God of Battleships himself, does not turn toward you until you leave the room.
 
 
 
Table of content

Dallarian: Your knowledge is questionable. If you are to represent us, you must do so in a professional way. Therefore, your wisdom must be reviewed and unified. You shall practice over and over, until you become confident in those aspects.
Basics on chosen topics
If you do not understand a word, it may be explained in Glossary of Terms. If you require more beginner advice, check Beginner section in "Guide Navigation"    or suggested Beginner guides at the end of document.
Gameplay related resources
 
Micromanagement
 
Macromanagement
 
Wazhai: Good. Now you know which way sword should be pointing at. Become familiar with those basic creatures, structures and magic. They are weak yet important, since they are base for your missions. Do not underestimate their importance. We closely cooperate with humans of Lyr and they help us out of their free will, so at least appear to be respecting them. You will need this Frost Shard, take it. It helps manifest Frost Magic outside the Forge, should be useful to you.
The moment you touched the shard, you felt connection formed between you and it. Now, you feel pathway to Frost energies deep within your body.
Chosen cards and strategies overview
Tier 1 cards
 
 
Wazhai: You know enough. Now it’s time to organise it all together. Did you know you can secure most T2s with Master Archers only?
T1 chosen strategies
 
Weakl1ngs: It’s time to introduce you into more advanced options Frost has. There are many interesting creatures and spells you could use at your advantage. And I will teach you to use Coldsnap. For some reason many Skylords like this part the most.
Tier 2 cards[2]
 
Weakl1ngs: While War Eagle is a great option, it is not the only valid one. Personally I prefer Mountaineer and White Rangers. Review closely creatures I’ve shown you, there are a few interesting you may use.
T2 chosen strategies:
 
 
Uro: Now you are allowed to use very powerful creatures, blah blah blah. This is the boring part. The only thing you actually need to know, is if your Avatars are facing enemy. That’s it. But I have to explain you in details anyway… ehh…
Tier 3 cards
 
 
Uro: Do you remember when I told you to use Avatars? There isn’t a lot of philosophy in it. Try Core Dredges if you want some fun.
T3 chosen strategies
 
 
Yshia: You have grown stronger and stronger in past months. Finally, you are worthy to see our most powerful magic and best creatures, including the famous Battleship. Learn carefully, and you will have suitable tools to change fate of the world.
Tier 4 cards
 
 
Yshia: After this part you will know everything you need to proceed as a true Frost Skylord. Brace yourself, for today your training is coming to the end. I am proud I could guide you on your last steps. It was a pleasure.
T4 chosen strategies
 
 
Dallarian: You have completed your training. There is one last aspect. You must now choose your path as a Skylord. Which one will you follow?
Path of Wind
You are like arctic wind, frosty and piercing through your foes. If you are a Skylord in the very meaning of the word. If your armies are free and up in sky, including War Eagles, Northland Drakes and Battleship, the path is for you to take.
Path of Shield
No troops under your command fear death, for you are their angel, protecting them from all harm. Whether it’s Ice Guardian, Area Ice Shield, Ward of the North or Dreadnought, your armies are always safe while crushing your opponents.
Path of Crystal
The only who will need protection, is your foe, for your creatures are most durable beings in the whole Nyn. If your army consist of high durable units, like Lightblades, Tremors and Ironclads, none shall shatter your armor.
Path of Aurora
Both your past and future are a mystery to me. I will observe your career with a great interest. Choose this path if you cannot decide on none of the above.
Please answer in provided poll with relevant path, it allows me to keep track of how useful the thread is and encourages more content in the future. It is purely Roleplay choice and does not influence the gameplay, choose what is closest to your heart, not what you actually play.
Dallarian: I see. Interesting choice. Anah’shar laje’ura. Accept may blessing and good luck on your new path of life.
As Dallarian tells his weird words, you feel chills going through your body. When they end, you are even stronger, and feel like the whole world was on your doorstep.
 
Decks and approaches
rPvE Offence
 
rPvE Defence
 
Custom maps / unknown map
 
PvE Campaign
 
 
Uro: Ssssh. Come with me.
You follow Uro into one of less used corridors.
Uro: Good, here nobody will hear us. Did you know Togob is hiding many things from you? There is a whole range of possibilities within our grasp, but he will never admit it! Let me show you.
Heresy – non pure decks
 
Supporting materials
Additional notes on game mechanics
 
Glossary of terms
 
 
See also:
“Expert Campaign – Missions Briefing – Among the Old Gods Achievement” by @Dallarian for Expert maps guidance and almost complete library of pure Frost PvE decks.
 
"Guide Navigation" by @Eirias . If there is any relevant guide on topic you are looking for, you will find it here.
 
Frost T1 PvP Guide by RadicalX by @RadicalX . Awesome source of knowledge for T1 Frost opening, by currently best PvP player.
 
Battleforge undocumented details by @Emmaerzeh. Information about buffs, stacking and more.
card attributes & main card types by @Ilsyde. Beginner guide.
interface and game mechanics guide by @Ilsyde. Beginner guide.
 
References:
RadicalX. Frost T1 PvP Guide by RadicalX. 2017; Available at: https://forum.skylords.eu/index.php?/topic/2823-frost-t1-pvp-guide-by-radicalx/ (Accessed 10 January 2021) PvP changes are considered, that may influence abilities, counter types and statistics. The thread is up to date on patch #400025. {GM} Emmaerzeh, Battleforge undocumented details, 2020. Available at: https://forum.skylords.eu/index.php?/topic/6669-battleforge-undocumented-details/
(Accessed 15 February 2021)  

I wonder - is there really any card/tactic that enables 3/4 players to do ,,nothing'' and still win expert like decomposer? I'm asking cause none comes to my mind, though some of you make it sound like there are similar things. Gold farming is one thing, spamming one unit next to a decomposer to win expert in a few minutes is another.

Welcome!
In terms of guides, feel free to use the guide navigation thread to find relevant guides for you.
For tutoring and finding sparring partners, check out the tutors and apprentices discord - we have lots of experienced players there (close to 500 members) who can give you advice on your decks, tutor you ingame and analyze replays.

Frost T1 mirrors aren't at all single unit matchups. Once the wellpositions get close, ice guardians come into play:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLv1KjWDtB0
If you want more micro in your frost T1s maybe take a close well like in the vid.
At low or mid powerlevel frost mages dont kill ice guardians...you can also micro them away until they are able to reshield.
 

I don't like the idea of every deck being nature + X. You can totally play lost souls with bloodhealing. Yes, regrowth and equilibrium are easier to play and stronger but heals aren't a necessity, they are a convenience.

I totally agree with you there. I have always wondered why some really strong cards have less restrictions than weaker cards that play the same role; overlord vs lost warlord, frenetic assault vs amok etc... reason is probably that the priority was having a nice theme going, therefor not so many splashable twilight, stonekin and lost cards (still doesn't explain spirit ship being splashable though)
Where i don't agree is making more PVE cards splashable, i already don't like how some decks dominate battlegrounds. Now make batariel and we have 40 batariels running around in every lvl 9 bg. I'd rather like to see some underplayed pure/theme PVE decks buffed carefully.

I don't like the idea of every deck being nature + X. You can totally play lost souls with bloodhealing. Yes, regrowth and equilibrium are easier to play and stronger but heals aren't a necessity, they are a convenience.

I don't like the idea of every deck being nature + X. You can totally play lost souls with bloodhealing. Yes, regrowth and equilibrium are easier to play and stronger but heals aren't a necessity, they are a convenience.

Keep calm, there are a lot of players that loves the free decks like they are, of course they dont come here to complain. Just look at the rankings and count the players with PVErank 0. You know 10 people complaining on the forum aren't the majority? I personally don't know what the majority thinks but i hate your way of making aggressive assumptions and accusations.

Keep calm, there are a lot of players that loves the free decks like they are, of course they dont come here to complain. Just look at the rankings and count the players with PVErank 0. You know 10 people complaining on the forum aren't the majority? I personally don't know what the majority thinks but i hate your way of making aggressive assumptions and accusations.

I'd pretty much assume it's not a reference to any specific movie or quote.

Juggernaut also has the voice line "I'll be back" (Terminator).
The rest is about him moving, which seems to simply point to juggernaut being a walking battering ram -> The definition of an 80/90s action movie star.
You could make the assumption that it's simply pointing to the phrase of good'ol Arni.

Juggernaut: "I'll be back"
Sunstrider standing beside him: "What? You're going somewhere?"
Juggernaut: ................. "It's an action movie (reference)"
 
 
Edit:
That or all his lines are actually Arni qoutes I don't remember and this one is from "Last Action Hero"

Edit2:
Going through the voice lines for fun he also says "Hasta la vista" (another Terminator) but also "I see dead people" (Sixth Sense)
-> Pretty sure the devs simply threw some random movie lines together for funsies

Well top one is Forest Kitty/Wolf/Bear Forest Elder its just cute and cool
then I guess
Nomad (the german voicelines are just superb)
Corsair (its a pirate airship !!!111oenoeneleven!
Northland dragon (imo the best looking of the wyverns)
Ravenheart (technically same reason like Corsair but cool voicelines as well)
 
 

You still didn't tell me where i get my PVE rank from if i dont play PVE (you need a certain rank to upgrade cards). Getting bfp from quests? Forced to play PVE again. And probably not even enough for my 4 harvesters wich are needed besides 4 x 19 other cards. Your main argument to me is: ,,others get something i dont get because they play another part of the game''.
That isn't enough for me to risk pvp becoming completly unplayable again. Because it is unplayable if you only have 3-7 pvp players online at the same time.

The point was that pvp players dont have to grind PVE anymore. With your idea they would have to, again. Even if pvp gives me the gold to upgrade a pvp deck after some time, unless you play everyday, youre probably still missing BFP (think about how much a pure shadow deck is bfp wise) and more importantly, a PVE rank wich you need for upgrading cards. So the idea is to force pvp players into pve, again, even if they dont want to. This time just after ten weeks when some probably wont expect it...
Also not nice for players like me, who enjoy both PVE and PVP - i spent all my BFP and gold on PVE cards so i can enjoy both modes. With your idea i would once again have to chose, i cant afford both.

The point was that pvp players dont have to grind PVE anymore. With your idea they would have to, again. Even if pvp gives me the gold to upgrade a pvp deck after some time, unless you play everyday, youre probably still missing BFP (think about how much a pure shadow deck is bfp wise) and more importantly, a PVE rank wich you need for upgrading cards. So the idea is to force pvp players into pve, again, even if they dont want to. This time just after ten weeks when some probably wont expect it...
Also not nice for players like me, who enjoy both PVE and PVP - i spent all my BFP and gold on PVE cards so i can enjoy both modes. With your idea i would once again have to chose, i cant afford both.

Good evening fellow skylords, 
As some might recall @Eirias and I did some commentaries on PvP matches quite a while ago on Eirias YouTube Channel and on the Official SkylordsReborn Channel.
Since the game has entered the realm of the living again, it is also time for me to wake up from my slumber and start annoying Eirias again. Sadly our only way of communication is through the commentary of PvP Replays. 
I am currently still pretty rusty and even though I played some games against top 20 players, many weren't that interesting.
Because there is no real source of new Replays, I wanted to asked all you guys to post or send me or Eirias your PvP Replays for YouTube. 
If you have any good, special or weird games you want the world to know about, just give them to us. 
Rewards: 100 BFP
for each Replay that ends up on Youtube (on top of the fame ) for the one sending the Replay to us.
I hope we can make something work and flooooood the World with Skylords!
Love YaBro0 ❤

When you meet a top PvP player in rPVE

Can't stress this point enough. At the moment the pvp experience is the best since 2012. I feel like some players who feel bypassed because someone gets something for free dont realize pvp would just die again if we dont have the free decks. Or they dont care but thats just mean

Can't stress this point enough. At the moment the pvp experience is the best since 2012. I feel like some players who feel bypassed because someone gets something for free dont realize pvp would just die again if we dont have the free decks. Or they dont care but thats just mean

Can't stress this point enough. At the moment the pvp experience is the best since 2012. I feel like some players who feel bypassed because someone gets something for free dont realize pvp would just die again if we dont have the free decks. Or they dont care but thats just mean

All those agains free PvP deck - please realize that PvP is endangered mode. It needs certain critical mass to be playable - you need enough players online. During beta this was not the really the case. Something had to be changed and free PvP is it. It does the following
- removes huge barrier to entry for newcomers (described above multiple times)
- Hooks players for longer time. E.g. in orignal BF I had to invest some money and time to get one deck. At that point I was very reluctant to do it again to build some different PvP decks. But this barrier made me lose interest gradually. With free PvP decks everyone can "spice it up", try different factions and thus keeping players hooked for longer.
When you are arguing that you like to grind you mean for your favourite PvP deck. Have you considered trying different faction? Add 3+ more "grinds" on top of what is needed for your deck to actually have all PvP factions available.
Also, I dont think that splitting PvP modes is good idea - at least until the plaerbase is really really large enough
 

Merry Christmas everyone,

We hope you all are having a jolly time. Christmas has also reached Nyn, and therefore we'd like to give all of you a little special present. Yesterday we added a new ingame achievement which will be active until 31.12.2020 and will allow you to earn Santa Claus as a card!

Furthermore, we're quite satisfied with how well the release launch went. There have only been minor issues and hiccups, which all were fixed relatively quickly. However, with the increase in playerbase and player activity since release, we have to take extra measures to ensure we have healthy servers. One of those measures will be an automated weekly server maintenance. This means that from now on you can expect the servers to go down every Wednesday at 7:30AM CET for a brief moment (couple of minutes at maximum), after which you will be able to play again. There will a Discord and multiple ingame notifications when the servers go into maintenance. We hope you understand this measure.

We are currently also working on a roadmap on what you can expect from future updates. One major topic on that roadmap will be balancing changes to cards.
As some of you might have heard already, we've been working on some changes for the last couple of months. We believe the balance between factions has drastically improved, especially in regards to factions which start with nature and frost in PvP. Therefore, the first iteration of those changes will be released on the live server on the 01.01.2021. A detailed list of changes will be released within the upcoming week, but you can already view the current list of changes from the public test server on the community wiki.

That's it for now. Enjoy your time in the forge! Best regards as always,

Skyords Reborn Team.