Change Forsaken, Nox Trooper and Rifle Cultists Class from Human to Undead.

[Delendar]

Reason: Lore Accuracy.

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And only then, returning from his fourth death, the subject may be chosen to join the Forsaken. And true freedom shall be bestowed upon him, for he has the privilege of disposing of all his entire posessions, he is freed from the burden of eating and drinking, he shall rejoice in severing all ties that bound him to the mortals, and vow to speak no more, but to his brothers and sisters, in comfort that in one hundred years from now he may become a Monk of the Rifle. Thus is the glory of forsaking all for the divine service.

The whole text, found in Legends, page 11 of Shadow, quite literally is describing a sentient zombie. To be a Forsaken you need to die 4 times, and seeing that they are ascetic, dont drink nor eat and don't feel emotional attachments, well, one can very much call these guys undead. Following logic the Rifle Cultists, who are Monks of the Church of the Rifle, should also be undead.
 

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Observing the spoils of their hard work in action for the first time, Father Moore glanced at Prior Cayle, noticing that his wise friend was not sharing his excitement. "Your Higness, it shows not a single sign of fatigue, fear or mercy. We have created the perfect soldier! Yet you appear hapless. Or am I mistaken?" Slowly shifting his stare from the ravaging harbingers of Nox-colored death to the smoke-filled sky above. Prior Cayle mumbled in return. "No, my Son, it is truly magnificent in exercising death. But this creation was the easy part, for we still need the perfect general."

As for Nox Trooper, it is clearly described as an artificial zombie, since it was "created", in a dialogue between Father Moore and Prior Cayle, (Legends, Shadow, page 15) both titles used in churches, and seeing how they created a marksman it is safe to assume they belong to the Church of the Rifle, meaning they also died several times and have the characteristics of a sentient zombie.

[Hrdina_Imperia]

Lore wise, it makes sense. I would double-check, if it can have gameplay effects. 

Afaik, it could be a nice buff to these units, since the Eliminator (I think) has the buff aura, which works on Undead and Demons. 

[Delendar]

On 9/2/2024 at 3:08 AM, Hrdina_Imperia said:

Lore wise, it makes sense. I would double-check, if it can have gameplay effects. 

Afaik, it could be a nice buff to these units, since the Eliminator (I think) has the buff aura, which works on Undead and Demons. 

Eliminator in this case would extend the usefulness of Forsakens and Nox Trooper into T2. Most people use Harvester and Shadow Phoenix upon getting to T2 anyway so it's just for those decks that keep either of the cards for one reason or another, honestly it isn't a big deal power-wise. If anything, with the pre-death buff and the Eliminator buff, the Forsaken would be able to contest well against other bigger T2, maybe as a support unit to the harvester. Or if leaving Forskaen on a wall with an Eliminator behind them for the buff and that's it.

[WindHunter]

Overall, I think it would be beneficial to take a look through the various factions and to consider if there are any misapplied species/race tags. I think this is particularly important now that we have multiple viable cards which directly interact with the tags and it is better to have them figured out now, when we would be changing cards to work with them, then later and possibly mess something up. 

I think changing Forsaken and Rifle Cultists to Undead is a real option. I do not think I agree on Nox Trooper. My impression is that Nox Trooper is a still living human which has been cybernetically augmented and ritually reinforced to function as the foot soldiers of the Church of the Rifle, and not a living zombie akin to a monk of the rifle. 

[Delendar]

On 9/5/2024 at 12:52 AM, WindHunter said:

Overall, I think it would be beneficial to take a look through the various factions and to consider if there are any misapplied species/race tags. I think this is particularly important now that we have multiple viable cards which directly interact with the tags and it is better to have them figured out now, when we would be changing cards to work with them, then later and possibly mess something up. 

Sounds like a good idea, I could contribute to that. I'll try to come up with lists per faction/race and every card that affects them.

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I think changing Forsaken and Rifle Cultists to Undead is a real option. I do not think I agree on Nox Trooper. My impression is that Nox Trooper is a still living human which has been cybernetically augmented and ritually reinforced to function as the foot soldiers of the Church of the Rifle, and not a living zombie akin to a monk of the rifle. 

That's a valid take since it's just an implication how they are spoken of in the Lore text, that said, necromancy seems to be a very common thing in the lore of the churches and the Obsidian Throne. Imo it would be easier to build some undead instead, but if we consider it more like a Frankenstein then I guess it should count as being alive? I think Frankenstein counts more as a human chimera than a zombie.