[Remove lending LVL120 PVP decks]

4 hours ago, Japanda said:

i know "Remove lending LVL120 PVP decks" was a harsh phrasing, i read through all responses and think there should be some kind of limitation to those LVL120 PVP decks,

- maybe delay them a month or two 

- or maybe make a seperate sparring/ranked mode for premade decks

- or put the decks behind a fee to rent them, so you still need to grind to use them

- or remove selecting premade decks and distribute them random 

I was talking to Zyna on the discord and he suggested a Collection or Free PvP lobby separation, where the collection mode would only let you use collected cards. Obviously this would be foolproof if the pvp playerbase was big enough (obviously it's not very big), but I would love to see it. 

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2 minutes ago, Eirias said:

I don't understand? If a player enjoys the grind, then they should grind. If they don't enjoy the grind, they should skip it?

What does the reward of the grind have to do with whether you enjoy it or not?

It has nothing to do with the fact that the grind is PvE based, it is the process of grinding to achieve higher deck score, which is rewarding. Imagine playing basketball 4 hours a day to improve your game and your goal is to win a state championship, the reward justifies and defines the grind and why it was rewarding to the individual. 

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5 minutes ago, Eirias said:

Why are you working for a PvP deck? Do you play exclusively play PvP, and if you do, what is your tag? I have never seen a Cocofang in any of my PvP games.
If you are not exclusively a PvP player, then work for a PvE deck. PvP is meant to be played with a full level 120 deck. Playing without the proper cards is like playing chess without all the pieces. Yes a better player will still win against a worse player if the skill gap is wide enough, but it's just more interesting to play against an even opponent with the proper pieces. Opening strategies and endgame considerations are completely overturned without the right balance of chess pieces, and it is the same in battleforge.

Work for a full 120 PvE deck, and accept that PvP is a different game mode

Who are you to say how someone should or shouldn't play a video game the way they want to. If seemingly the majority of players enjoyed the grind of PvE to build a stronger PvP deck and the process of building that deck to it's full potential, why should they accept this change? 

12 minutes ago, Eirias said:

Additionally, anyone who wants to climb the ranked ladder without premade decks is forced to play lost souls, because souls is cheap enough to build quickly, beats the other cheap deck (fire nature), and doesn't have any losing matchups because no one will have the super rare pure fire cards yet.

Why not keep the premade decks to Ranked play only if it's so important to level the playing field? Or push this premade deck release to a later date to give people time to build up their collection.

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8 minutes ago, Cocofang said:

Also, how big does the advantage have to be? The current implementation goes for straight up perfect U3 cards. Is that necessary? If the cards were U2 then U3 versions that you own and can use in PvP would hold more value as they can only be accessed by investing resources.

Having U2 upgrades instead on these decks, while still giving players something to grind and look forward to is a great idea. I'd still like a mode with no pre-made decks at all, but this could still accomplish the things they wanted to do with the idea. A good player with U1/U2 will still outplay and win against a newer player will all U3.

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13 minutes ago, Japanda said:

can you post link to your post so we can get more attention

can you post link to your post so we can get more attention

 

[Remove lending LVL120 PVP decks]

Made a post about this earlier today, definitely agree this takes away a large portion of why I used to play. Even the original post about the premade decks suggested using them in only ranked play, not unranked as well.

[Premade PvP Decks in Unrated]

A large portion of the fun in this game for me previously was building my PvP decks from scratch U1 and upgrading overtime. Having edit-able top tier 120 PvP decks simply removes the enjoyment of having your own developed deck. Obviously the premade 120 decks make sense in Rated to keep the playing field level, but I would like to suggest removing them from Unrated for the sake of being able to have more diverse matchups and still build a deck that you saw from the start. I think major changes like this are bad for long-term longevity of the game when there's no time spent upgrading cards of your choice for a PvP player. Obviously you can technically still build full decks from U1 scratch, but handicapping yourself by not using the available U3 cards that you can swap out doesn't make much sense.