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On 7/21/2021 at 4:42 PM, Kilikem said:

thanks. i really appreciate hearing this from someone who has been around longer 🙂

 

1 hour ago, Kilikem said:

enough said.

this is quite literally all i have said to Ponni in this entire thread. but apparently you want to be toxic AF with unhelpful shit like:

1 hour ago, Cocofang said:

So instead of you and Ponni bitterly jerking each other off, go come up with some specifics, do a breakdown for pros/cons and start your other topic already.

i am a father of 3 and not a developer/designer for this game. i get no benefit other than dev's telling me if i dont like the system to just go away apparently for trying to improve this game. yet you want ME to do more than voice my opinion and offer the suggestions i already have? i already said i plan to make a new topic, but that does not mean i should just ignore you here. but due to how toxic you seem to be overall i will just continue to ignore you from here on to have actual productive conversation. 

thanks for coming though buddy...

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3 hours ago, Ponni said:

Well, speak with newbies on the server, which I have done a lot, and it is from there I make these comments. They are not just stated because I would liked to have had all cards from the re-release day. Many I have spoken with are not around any longer...people won't spend weeks and months any longer which is needed to get anywhere in this game. You can accept this or not but the facts are the following:

- Checked last night, 160 people online.

- Boosters opened last two days, 3500

enough said.

3 hours ago, Volin said:

4 months of playing are (only daily) rewards of ~60k! Bfp (4*30*150). Hell I could build a few really OP decks with 60k. And if we cut that a bit more down, 2 Weeks give you around 7k of income out of the dailies. Please don't tell me that with 7k a beginner could not make a lot of cool stuff. If we wait a second week we have now 14k (w/o any extra time or achievements) and can build a full meta spell deck- not fully charged but already VERY competitive.

YOU an experienced player who knows which cards are good and bad/which cards are needed for which missions, ect, ect, ect. you can build a "few" experienced decks with FOUR MONTHS of game time rewards and you see this as OKAY? a BEGINNER with 7k will spend is on roughly 17 packs in most cases would be my guess. which may not even be specific color boosters or have cards for their main deck. this was my case. I bought a few cards that looked good and my friends suggested then bought the general booster packs because they literally come at a discount, yet 90% of the cards you will get are garbage not even the colors for your more advanced deck, then you run into the core problem of this thread, being that there is literally no good way to earn currency for more cards by playing after that except for massive amounts of grinding for very minimal reward.

3 hours ago, Volin said:

With some reserve-bfp and achievements included we are prolly more speaking of 70-80k bfp in your 4 months. If you play some hours on daily basis we are prolly beyond 100k bfp in that time. And yeah 4 months are quite some time, but you get on daily basis enough bfp to buy a new really good card, every f... day you can buy a really good card - that is bad progression?

firedancer alone is 2.3k AH price. like you said, if 2 weeks gives you 7k income out of daily missions/reserve ect. (i assume you are adding them all because we get 2 missions a day worth 75 each, which is 2100 in 2 weeks not 7000). this would be at least a full days grind just for the 1 card

so yes i would say requiring you to play every day to get the maximum rewards yet still requiring weeks for an EXPERIENCED player to gather a single good deck is simply not healthy for the game.

3 hours ago, Volin said:

And especially if you emphasize like the TO again and again that he wants to play off-meta, that he wants to play pvp, then the whole thing becomes even more incomprehensible. Then decks are actually built in zero time.

i never specifically said i want to play off meta, but i do in fact enjoy pvp. you clearly must not be a regular PvP player in games if you cannot understand that playing something that isn't "the meta" does not mean you are playing a deck which is bad. how do you think new decks/builds become meta in the first place? someone comes around and discovers something new or a fresh strategy not seen before, combined with a small balance patch or 2 and boom a new meta is born?

now i may be new here, but does this team not review or do balance patches at all? does the meta NEVER shift? are weaker cards never changed or adjusted? if i am to believe from RadicalX that mono purple and red dominate most other decks and its almost no competition for any other deck in the meta why would i even want to play pvp in this game? for a pvp environment to be healthy it needs to change and adapt over time.

now i also want to make it clear i do not STRICTLY want to play only PvP. i do enjoy the PvE in this game. i think iv made it very clear by now that i enjoy this game overall. but i do not enjoy running out of daily missions/having no realistic achievements to aim for and endlessly grinding the same missions for gold. why is this so hard to understand?

why do players keep playing MMO's after their daily missions? they can do pvp, they have other quests to complete, dungeons to run, collectables to gather, they can MAKE A NEW CHARACTER, ect ect ect. what do we do here after we finish our daily missions? grind repetitive missions for almost no reward or do PvP with restricted decks? what else? am i missing anything....?

imagine if it took 2 weeks to 4 months to get anything remotely playable for PvP in starcraft. do you think the game would of honestly reached nearly the popularity it is at now?

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2 hours ago, Cocofang said:

I said that your frustration about progression speed is apparent. You said I wasn't even listening and that it's not about getting stuff faster, it's about being rewarded for your time. But it is absolutely about getting stuff faster because for you more rewards for your time is better. If you think players should be able to make more progress on the day, you are absolutely talking about increasing progression speed. So it's bizarre that you would be so adamantly denying that this is one of the core issues you criticize.

the problem isn't the core speed of progression. when daily quests and achievements are available to work on there isn't much of an issue. but after 2 daily missions are done and you can't do the rest of the achievements (perhaps due to needing multiple cards, viridya, dragons, ect) the rewards almost quite literally dry up very quickly. at this point it isn't a matter of the progress being slow, its the fact that there is literally no efficient way to progress that doesn't take massive amounts of unnecessary time. do you HONESTLY enjoy grinding RPvE over and over for gold, or spamming the same mission you can complete the quickest for maximum currency time and time again? because aside from just using your imagination and literally making up challenges for yourself that is quite literally all this game has to offer aside from PvP after achievements/daily missions dry up. am i wrong? what else is there?

iv already said it before. out of me and multiple friends playing i am one of the only ones who actually stays to play the game for any amount of meaningful time after my daily missions are done. everyone else would by far rather bounce out and go play other games because there is little to no incentive at all. yes we nerds who will spam missions over and over again doing stupid shit to have fun exist, but not all players want to do that and if you do not make players feel rewarded the game will continue to stay DEAD

2 hours ago, Cocofang said:

 

So instead of enabling faster progression on the day, which brings many issues, there could be more ways to progress for players on their own speed and terms. You should be thinking into the direction of overarching achievement instead of time sensitive dailies. Something that can be done whenever and finishing it asap doesn't give an advantage. Leading to faster progression overall but without time pressure or the ability to massively accelerate ahead. Additionally, if you want to speed up progression you must have a solution for people with excess resources in place. Because the point of having everything they want will approach sooner and then they need something else to do with their rewards.

at what point did i say specifically daily missions are the only issue? i have stated multiple times that we need far more achievements as well. in no way am i also suggesting infinite daily missions that will continue to reward players for sinking in infinite time. a total overhaul is my suggestion. rewards per match reviewed, daily missions changed to both pve/pvp with values reviewed, achievements added, ect. you make an awful lot of assumptions my friend.

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1 hour ago, Bkingn said:

Wow Kilikem is mental.. either salty that he cant make more accounts for grindin' or he cant understand that this is a free game with devs that doesnt own the game and they sacrafice their own free time to improve it... Stop complaining and just enjoy the damn game people why you guys have to be so mental?!

please go away. you are not helping anyone and your comment is the exact opposite of productive. if you wish to be a child then i ask you not to do it in my thread.

this entire thread is about improving player reward in order to help attract players to a game that after literally years is basically dead because I REALLY ENJOY THIS GAME and want to help attract more players. if you think this is mental attitude ill simply leave you with a "HA HA" and walk away.

 

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10 minutes ago, Cocofang said:

Your suggestion directly leads to that. You would be affecting progression speed, making people gain more stuff faster.

that is the entire point, yes. but players should need to spend time playing the game in order to get those rewards. instead of spending large amounts of time in the game for almost no reward...the entire point is to attract players to play the game more. 

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7 minutes ago, Cocofang said:

You repeatedly bringing up how long it take to unlock things must have fooled me. More rewards for your time equals faster progression, surely you considered that?

But now you are saying it's "not about just getting stuff faster"? With how heavily you protest me linking your issues to progression speed, it seems like you want to empathize that you do not want to get things faster than it is the case now. You want to feel like you are "being rewarded for your time".

We can test this by going into the opposite direction: Would you then be okay with, say, taking the rewards for current achievements and daily quests and spreading them across more achievements and daily quests?

For example, instead of getting one 75 BFP daily, you get three different dailies that net 25 BFP each. Or instead of directly getting 2 Boosters for draining your reserve below 50 BFP, you have to drain it below 50 two times and get one Booster each. Instead of draining your daily 250 BFP boost in 45 minutes, it takes 90 minutes. That way it would feel like you are getting rewarded more consistently. A constant trickle of rewards albeit slower overall. Problem solved, right? It's not about speed after all. Your friends would have to keep playing the game in order to gain all the rewards.

If you wouldn't be okay with that because it would take longer to get the same resources even though you would be more consistently rewarded then, indeed, it is about progression speed.

how does any of this make any sense? the entire point is to make playing and progression feel rewarding. if you spend twice as much time having to get an equal amount of rewards it would be far worse. the entire thing i have been saying is we need more daily missions and stuff to do, the current value of each of them i have no issue with. if you have 4 daily missions worth 75 each instead of 2 for example you simply have twice as much to try and complete, meaning time can be spent more productively instead of just having to use your imagination to make the game fun by challenging yourself to misc stuff.

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7 minutes ago, Cocofang said:

Not to mention Activision Blizzard is more than happy to let people use multiple accounts because that means multiple subscriptions. They are multi-dipping individual power users for extra cash. And even then they eventually decided that they have to at least crack down on automated multiboxing because, you guessed it, it provided too big of an advantage over anyone not doing it. Sure, in their case it was purely a business decision. They probably noticed increasing dissatisfaction among the population with only one account that threatened their bottom line more than the multiboxing population benefited it. This simply proves the point that multi accounting that is tied to progression can be extremely troublesome.

as i said multiple times. i do not think allowing multiple accounts and promoting it is the correct move. but we literally have a system in place that if i am to believe the post on the rules will literally ban you automatically even if you are just multiple people in 1 house hold playing with different accounts. you think THIS is the correct way to stop people from abusing the game? no...just make the game rewards better and they will have no need for the accounts. rules/systems in place to prevent someone from multiboxing is an entirely different story. i fully agree people should not be allowed to multiclient and cheat to complete missions.

13 minutes ago, Cocofang said:

You already got an answer from me regarding that but if you want more, I enjoyed the restrictions of having to work with unupgraded and random cards just as much as I now enjoy having a wealth of resources to build decks from. I even often intentionally restrict myself during deckbuilding, using cards that don't normally see use. I liked trying to make what I had work. Overcoming the difficulties despite suboptimal cards. The short- and mid-term goals were really enjoyable. What progression is more lacking are long-term goals and something to do with excess resources.

now imagine if they have many more odd fun achievements so you get rewarded for your time trying these self restrictions. they would even give you new ones to aim for. now imagine spending 45 minutes challenging yourself with a 2 orb only run and getting...like 50 BF and 300 gold, because that is how it is now.

18 minutes ago, Cocofang said:

But one big issue I am seeing from this thread is the disregard and lack of understanding for the underlying psychology that game design strives to adhere to. Almost reducing it to surface level statement like "more stuff faster = better" with little context. Psychology is an extraordinarily important aspect that the current design aims to take into account. What is also missing is, more specifically, an analysis about what the current progression system aims to do and how it tries to achieve that. There are also too few to no critical examination of what the issues of proposed adjustments would be. They're merely presented as being "better", which isn't the case at all. Everything has pros and cons, it's a matter of priorities.

One can definitely feel the frustration about progression speed but then it's mostly unguided ranting. It lacks elaborate specifics. All in all, I don't really feel like a lot of helpful thoughts can be salvaged from this. Best anybody can take from this thread is "dissatisfaction noted, guess we can try to figure out something reasonable, maybe". Which, to my understanding, is something that's already actively being worked on.

i'll just quit responding here i guess because you seem to not even be listening. its not about just getting stuff faster. its about being rewarded for your time.

i can tell you as a fact that out of the 8 players in my group who play i am basically the only one who sticks around after my daily missions are done. 

i have tried to offer some suggestions as well as voice my complaints. what more do you want from me? i already said i will move on with the issue and make a new thread in order to try and provide better conversation about improving the game....

6 minutes ago, Ponni said:

There is no point in arguing anything about this particular thing, eg. grinding like crazy until you get bored out of your senses and leave. It has been done multiple times in the past and still the devs and others claim this is the way to go, not realizing in the making we have lost a lot of potential new map breakers...but I give you kudos for trying!

// Ponni

thanks. i really appreciate hearing this from someone who has been around longer 🙂

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2 hours ago, Kubik said:

If multi accounting would be allowed what would prevent people from having every single card multiple times in the first hour in the game?

And the example WoW I assumed means World of Warcraft, right? Last time I played multi accounting was necessary to complete at least significant part of daily quests, because of the limit that you could complete only 20 of them each day, so that forced player to have multiple accounts, and did not allow them to do everything on single account, so I see exactly same problem with that game, except you can pay real money to have more accounts, which in my opinion is much worse.

And there is one easy solution to daily quests, if you do not like them just do not play any game that have them (which unfortunately includes also single player games 😞 ).

wow. this coming from a dev? "if you don't like daily quests then don't play."

in WoW and most other games with daily missions you CAN complete all the daily missions. there is no reason to have an alternate account. in WoW you can continue to receive regular quests as well as gather numerous dailies. when a character is maxed out and has completed all their daily missions...they move on to a new account just like you said. NOT "because they are necessary" you said it was NECESSARY to make multiple accounts because of the LIMIT OF TWENTY DAILY QUESTS EACH DAY, thus players do so to continue to progress (even though players have MANY other rewarding ways to progress in WoW and your case is simply not true.) here we have a LIMIT OF TWO QUESTS EACH DAY and instead of being NECESSARY to make new accounts it is a BANNABLE OFFENSE?! do you see how iron that is.

have you even read what i said? i guess the above post is right. 

5 hours ago, mikehoncho said:

this quote makes me think you are not even reading the suggestions posted by a new player who obviously enjoys the game or he would not spend his time to create this thread and be so active on it.  I agree with Kilikem and like some of his suggestions for QoL, it sounds like the vets dont like fresh new ideas.  sad...

 

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1 hour ago, Majora said:

There are Free PvP decks available, including all the top tier cards, resulting in you barely having to buy any cards to play competitive PvP. If you want to play an off-meta deck, you can either collect those specific cards, or play on the test server where all the cards are available. My statement ''I honestly dont get you are complaining about not being able to play'', might be worded a little harshly, but I am honestly wondering what the exact problem (and preferred solution) would be regarding PvP specifically that was not already covered. 

i have friends that absolutely hate playing meta anything in any game. like I said before, what if i want to theory craft 4 color enlightenment or some weird janky stuff that could change the meta entirely. not to mention new cards are looking to be added to the game. so if i want to choose these as a new player i'm then locked out of almost all the other choices. and will have no ability to even try and make a new fun and interesting deck. what if a new player wants to pvp for fun, only to take the green free pvp decks only to realized red and purple smashes them 99% if the time yet they are locked to the decks they chose for a full week.

what exactly is the point of having to lock in free pvp decks instead of them just being available to use as a card pool for pvp? 

honestly if i had to make a suggestion id make the game rewards better in general so people can grind for the stuff they want efficiently and remove free PvP decks entirely. some cards viability will be heavily weighted towards pvp and as such will be almost valueless for PvE. if these cards are available in all the free pvp decks at max rank already this almost immediately makes the card almost valueless.

more daily missions/achievements of both pvp and pve requiring a range of cards and strategies along with removal of free PvP decks would make some niche cards far more valuable.

i will make a separate post about improving the current systems and try and provide more suggestions in order to make the topic more productive. i still maintain the opinion that banning players for simply playing more of the game is a negative thing and will end on that.

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5 minutes ago, Majora said:

That doesn't seem very related to your point at all honestly. He is saying he doesnt enjoy rPvE, so he wants to play a normal campaign map. That is not related to rewards or grinding at all. 

he isn't just saying he doesn't enjoy rPvE. he is saying he is bored of it. why? i can only assume because grinding it over and over is basically the best means of gold and gets boring extremely quickly.

6 minutes ago, Majora said:

We have already pointed out why multi-accounting is, and will not, be allowed, so I dont get why you keep calling it ''needlessly banning players'', since we already gave explanations of why this system is in place (ironicly, to make sure people like you, who dont have a lot of time, dont have to compete with just older players, but also multi-accounting).

can you name a single other game that bans players for simply making a new account and spending more time playing the game? why are they making new accounts? to get around a flawed reward system? if the reward system was sufficient the new accounts wouldn't be needed and either would a rule to ban players. what if i started off and spent tons of gold and BF on cards i didn't end up liking now knowing it takes 6-12 months to build an entire collection, so then i decide i want to reroll a new fresh account so i can spend my rewards better. BOOM banned....does this really make any sense? i am in no way saying we should encourage multi-accounting, but banning players NEEDLESSLY is not a good thing.

15 minutes ago, Majora said:

As for PvP, you don't need to grind for PvP. You can get the most played cards from the free rental decks, and you can swap (and adjust!) those decks. Those decks are being played at the top level, so unless you want to play a pet card or make a small adjustment (which you can), you dont need to grind for PvP at all.

of course you have the potential to select mono red/purple and try your hand at PvP. but this is a deck building strategy game. not simply a RTS game. who the hell wants to come to this game and play preset decks with limited customization options until they can build a respectable collection? what if i want to play 4 color enlightenment for the memes and try and make it work? i have to grind for literally weeks to months to build a collection that can support that, and even then i would have poured my entire currency stacks into buying the specific cards i want leaving me with little to no other deck options, especially since all gold would be poured into upgrades for the deck as well. id hardly say "you don't need to grind for PvP at all."

21 minutes ago, Majora said:

Anyway, as mentioned before, we are already looking into solutions to give players more reward for playing after the daily, without allowing multi-accounting.
It would be way more helpful to share suggestions for that, then to argue about the multi-account ban, because that rule is not leaving. 

i agree with you this is the best way to go. but if we can agree that the reward system needs work why can we not agree players shouldn't particularly be banned just for actually wanting to be rewarded for their play time? this is a video game, no one wants to be policed just for playing the damn game my dude.

On 7/19/2021 at 1:19 PM, Kilikem said:

id love to hear what you do for fun with a mid tier deck after you finish daily missions? do you quit pve entirely and try out pvp with free decks? do you see if your t2 werebeasts and t1 shaman can push the top of the standard ladder? or do you endlessly grind for more resource to try and upgrade/get new cards?

i would honestly love an answer to this question. what would you be doing in game after daily missions and do-able achievements with a deck consisting of lvl 1-2 cards of mostly common/uncommon with a few good rares?

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5 hours ago, Bkingn said:

Multi accing = more cards for mains, less players playing hard maps = abusing market = less enjoyable for fresh players, expensive rare and ultrarare cards, less player playing more player maps cuz of grinding easy solo maps = less players playing the game.

Isn it obvious?

i agree with you, but the main point i want to make is that the game currently doesnt reward players enough for their time if they continue to play after daily missions and banning players for simply wanting to progress is a bad idea. i would much rather have a better system of progression that allows me to actually feel like i am making progress, but i also feel like if i want to upgrade my cards faster so i can PvP quicker i shouldn't get banned simply for making a new account to achieve that quicker since it seems to be the only way. if grinding harder missions/objectives would be nearly as rewarding there would be no need to multiaccount and no need for a rule to needlessly ban players for playing the game.

On 7/19/2021 at 10:45 AM, Majora said:

Also, you make it sound like the only reason to play the game is to grind/get points. I sure hope you are also playing the game just because you enjoy it? 😉 

seems others agree with me that endlessly grinding to upgrade cards is rather boring. like i said, what do you guys do when you are done with dailies for fun besides PvP and realistically how long does it keep you occupied?

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46 minutes ago, Cocofang said:

The current system is meant to reward players with more BFP for playing after quests. But without enabling the possibility of more time investment resulting in insurmountable advantages for progression.

How would you design a system that rewards players for playing more without having it feel exhausting, mandatory or it resulting in massive advantages for people that play more, making everyone who doesn't have as much time, feel like their efforts are meaningless?

since when does actually being rewarded feel exhausting? how does saying "if you keep playing you will keep being rewarded" make plays feel it is mandatory? and what exactly is wrong with having advantages for PLAYING THE GAME MORE.

i am a father of 3, i am the definition of someone who "doesn't have as much time". and i can tell you that the fact that i have less time to play means i would rather only spend that time playing when i have daily's and such that will reward me. when it dries up i'm out. why would i stick around when i'm feeling unrewarded?

53 minutes ago, Cocofang said:

Which boundaries would you set so that people can't exploit the system by simply artificially stretching their in-game time?

which system are they abusing? playing the game? are you really considering playing a game more to be exploiting by "artifically stretching their in game time?" like i said in my WoW metaphor before... should WoW stop letting players "artically stretch their time in game" because some players get max level quicker than others?...this literally makes no sense to me. players will continue to grind if they want to grind and reach the peak regardless if they have the time. the point is to make players of any level feel rewarded any time they play.

56 minutes ago, Cocofang said:

Which achievements in particular? And how would you stagger them so people don't just do them early on and then still have none to do later?

is this not simple? we already have achievements such as beating missions with higher level decks, missions requiring certain cards to be played, ect. do you think all the new players magically have all these cards and decks at the ready to smash out the quests? no... the answer is to simply add challanges of various difficulties and requiring various cards. imagine challenges for completing 4 man maps solo on each difficulty, perhaps with different colors or playing at least X amount of twilight creatures. quirky stuff like "beat empire on expert with no player having more than 2 monuments at once". i could go on for days.

 

1 hour ago, Cocofang said:

How would you design the dailies so that PvE players don't feel forced to participate in PvP in order to have good progression even though they don't enjoy it? Otherwise this would result in people cheesing PvP missions with faux matches where players search each other out to complete the quests. Which is more tedium and helps nobody.

you mean instead of the current system? in which PvP players are forced to participate in PvE in order to have progression AT ALL and currently results in players cheesing PvE missions to clear them as fast as possible for currency? as far as stopping faux matches between players, this can easily be made tedious depending on what the quests are. something like "win a PvP match lasting over 15 minutes" "reach 4 monuments in PvP and win" "win a ranked pvp match" <-worth more. of course with this lazy players could still do some of these in unranked matches by simply waiting out the time and finishing the match, but this doesn't stop the fact that only 1 of the players will get the reward and it will be guaranteed to take time regardless.

so what? maybe a few players will match each other, wait 15 minutes and win, then rematch and do the reverse. congrats they spent 30~ minutes to do 1 daily and be bored out of their mind not actually playing while minding the AFK timer. do we really care?

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just a few examples:

1. add systems to reward players for playing more, such as bonus to BF/Gold after daily missions are complete.
2. bonus currency when beating your own best time on a mission depending on the time difference
3. far more achievements including ones designed to engage players in PvP
4. make all free pvp decks always available so the PvP community doesn't feel gated by the PvE (large numbers of players play RTS strictly for pvp)
5. double the daily missions, but make the new ones PvP missions so players of all skill and deck level will want to engage in the content.

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5 minutes ago, Cocofang said:

As to what I am doing, when I feel like it, I am building some whacky off-meta decks and approach problems from a different angle than the established meta way while still staying within the games boundaries.

so how long does trying to do missions in weird ways keep you occupied? approx how much time do you spend in the game after all your daily missions are complete? i would think the point i am trying to make is a simple one. if players do not feel rewarded or like they are making meaningful progression they simply will not play. period. this is just the truth regardless of how you or i enjoy the game. 

just be honest man come on, when the daily missions are done in this game aside from pvp there is nothing to do besides GRIND. and what keeps players grinding? wanting to progress! what makes players quit? not being able to progress. 

i love this game. but if i spend this entire month buying red packs and doing every achievement/daily ect and then eventually want to maybe try pvping with some purple or blue decks im simply out of luck because even the free pvp decks are limited.

18 minutes ago, Cocofang said:

frankly, allowing multi accounting would be utterly ludicrous as it would undermine the entire progression system. As such it simply will not happen so you are wasting your keystrokes.

the entire point i am trying to make is that the progression system is so gated that there is literally a rule to ban players simply for making new accounts in order to be able to progress and play the game the way they find enjoyable. i think we could agree banning players for simply wanting to be able to actually progress is a bad thing. right?

 

we all know PVP is a huge part of games like this and is solely what many players care about. imagine telling a starcraft player this

4 hours ago, Volin said:

And getting pretty everything (!) in 6-12months seems reasonable to me

"yea it is great you like the game but if you want to join the pvp crowd you need to play the same free deck over and over or farm for 6-12 months on the same missions over and over again."

i get it, i really do. some people like trying to do these missions with some quirky deck, or maybe seeing if they can beat X mission with only 2 monuments, or ect ect ect the list goes on. but for the people who do not enjoy or care to do any of that? it is simply a grind to get the cards upgraded. 

imagine if in WoW you hit level 10 and NPC's just stopped giving you quests until the next day. you can still level, of course. but the only way is to go out in the field and do some honest work chopping down monster after monster. of course if you simply wait till the next day though all the npc's will happily give you more quests! but only until level 15, in which they will then again shut you off. want to feel rewarded for your time by making a new character that can actually receive quests instead of endlessly grinding? too bad, banned.

that is honestly how this feels. personally i would love nothing more than to be able to play, power up my cards as fast as possible and get a great collection so i can try out various things in PvP. but there is only so long i can grind out the same missions over and over after my dailies before i simply get bored and move on until the reset.

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2 hours ago, Cocofang said:

And once all those twinks are set-up, they could be drained for their daily boost and Booster discount without any effort at all.

but it is effort. you have to physically play the game for the time required. not everyone can sit around on 20 accounts and grind out every mission every day.

 

ill simply repeat what i said above and ask you the same thing 

6 hours ago, Kilikem said:

id love to hear what you do for fun with a mid tier deck after you finish daily missions? do you quit pve entirely and try out pvp with free decks? do you see if your t2 werebeasts and t1 shaman can push the top of the standard ladder? or do you endlessly grind for more resource to try and upgrade/get new cards?

if you are playing right now on an account with mid tier cards what are you doing in this game aside from grinding out currency as fast as possible to upgrade your cards?

i simply want this game to be better and have more players. and I can tell you as a player when i complete my daily missions and such i feel very little to no incentive to play the game, this just simply seems bad for overall player retention and i am only offering my suggestions. i play with 8 of my friends now and aside from fooling around on some PvP the general consensus right now is do the daily missions, then bounce out.

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21 minutes ago, Volin said:

Reset in december and many have every card , all meta cards 4 time - where could the rewards be bad? I am no big trader or such, just played random stuff

How can one be so impatient...

so the point you are making is that in over 7 months people have managed to get the cards? how does this help new players coming into the game feel a sense of progression. maybe I am just ignorant, but id like to do ranked pvp with a deck i create and customize myself. now how am i supposed to do this without grinding many hours of the game or using the same free pvp deck over and over again. i seem to be quite literally gated from even having a real chance in pvp seeing as how a player with a massive collection can put together a custom deck potentially far stronger than any of the free ones. but because i would like to be able to play the game to progress to this point i am impatient? i am simply saying rewards are not up to par and its makes players want to multi-account for better rewards, which will then lead to a ban for literally just playing the game more.

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1 hour ago, Cocofang said:

And you would even IMPROVE rewards ON TOP of allowing multi accounting? In hopes people would focus on one account instead of creating endless trow aways for easy free stuff?

it is my opinion banning players for simply making new accounts in order to be able to progress is a bad idea. period. unless the multiple accounts are used to afk pvp yourself for free currency for example. simply improving the reward structure of the game would eliminate players feeling any need for a second account. 

 

1 hour ago, Cocofang said:

Say someone had 5 accounts. One main, 4 twinks. That's 30 General Boosters, 20 Mono-color Boosters, 3750 BFP. Just for those achievements alone, which can all be done on a single day. Add to that 2000 BFP each day for dailies and boosts, if the player is so inclined. Hell, just make it 1250 from the boost alone.

id love to see someone complete the entire game on 5 different accounts in a single day completing all the color/unit specific achievements in a single day. looking at the rankings most missions seem to be around 10-20 minutes+ and the game has 27 missions not to count extra time assembling decks/transfering cards to new accounts ect. basically a full time job working at max efficiency to be able to buy a single promo firedancer perhaps. what is the player doing wrong? actively playing the game? not allowing players to work harder to get stuff quicker will only lead to them doing things like buying from players via black market. 

 

1 hour ago, Majora said:

What map are you talking about specifically? 

random generated 2 player missions.

 

1 hour ago, Majora said:

Chest prevent you from opening them if the unit is doing something (aka fighting) but it is indeed a chore. This is well known though, but also not easy to fix. You have to understand we do not have the source code, so some things that seem obvious to fix can actually be a big puzzle. 

could this restriction be removed entirely perhaps as long as a friendly unit is close? currently it just seems to be very buggy and even with no enemies nearby sometimes it tells you that you cannot open the chest. and of course. I simply wanted to point out my main gripes even if they are fairly obvious to everyone. 

 

2 hours ago, Majora said:

We will not remove the second-account=ban rule. The current setup is to give players a headstart with achievements and daily play bonusses. If we allow people to multi-account to grind, this will inflate the auction house. People having more points = cards becoming more expensive = people having to multiaccount or grind even more to catch up. It would only be a short term solution, and not something we want to encourage. 

people will not only have more points, but more packs as well, meaning more cards and then a drop in price. would this not counteract the increase in BF? currently the players play for pure BF with no pack rewards after completing achievements, right? this means bf continues to come into the market but the extra packs stop being rewarded which players often spend on specific cards instead of fresh boosters. would more boosters in the economy not lower the value over time making it more accessible to new players?

2 hours ago, Majora said:

Also, you make it sound like the only reason to play the game is to grind/get points. I sure hope you are also playing the game just because you enjoy it? 😉 

of course not. but no one likes for gameplay to get stale. lets be honest, grinding out the same missions over and over again for little reward is not exactly exciting gameplay. players like to progress to push for challenges. the things I find fun in a game like this besides PvP is pushing strategy to the max, competing for best times on missions, ect ect. now understand i am a father of 3 children under 2 years old. I do not have unlimited free time to play this game, and when i do have the free time id enjoy being able to use it. but once my daily missions are done, what then? grind the same mission over and over or run randoms for gold? lets be honest, probably no one is pushing standard for best times with their t1/t2 half upgraded units. 

i do enjoy PLAYING this game, but do not forget that putting cards on the board is not the entire game. getting cards, upgrading them, forming new strategies and building a deck out of it is largely what makes the game fun for me. when I have spent my entire play time spending all my resources to upgrade my main deck i hardly would enjoy going and playing another color right now given that I have all common/uncommon starter cards that have 0 upgrades. and if i bring any of these decks into any later missions with friends it will clearly get smashed.

id love to hear what you do for fun with a mid tier deck after you finish daily missions? do you quit pve entirely and try out pvp with free decks? do you see if your t2 werebeasts and t1 shaman can push the top of the standard ladder? or do you endlessly grind for more resource to try and upgrade/get new cards?

i can tell you the general theme of all my other friends playing the game is to do daily missions and bounce out to play other games.

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• some units spawn additional units, such as deepfang. it can be very annoying mid fight trying to target these and add them to squad so you can control them. making these units automatically group with their parent unit would be great.
• monument placement on 2 man battlegrounds is slightly annoying. having monuments placed symmetrically on the map for both players would make this a far more enjoyable experience. currently whoever is in position 2 spawning on the side with 3 monuments is at a major disadvantage. my suggestion is 3 monuments on each side with a double monument spot at a middle joined location for both players.
• opening chests is currently a major hassle and seems buggy. hopefully this can be improved eventually.
• right click option on cards to search it on the auction house would make pricing much more player friendly
• currently by the game rules it shows having multiple accounts is a ban-able offense. with the way the game is currently setup I feel this rule needs to be removed and rewards should be improved. essentially playing loses a ton of value when you have already completed achievements and run every daily. players want to be able to progress when they play and feel rewarded, if they do not they will not play. basically banning players who want to make a second account is only punishing the players who simply want to play the game more. if more achievements and goals for players to reach are added to the game players will be sufficiently occupied with their primary account and will not have a need to make multiple accounts in the first place, which would also help keep players around since they have a goal instead of just grinding miscellaneous missions/battlegrounds for BF/gold endlessly.

EDIT: added more

• remove the option to pick between pvp/pve daily quests. simply offer more of both to draw players to play both modes.