i was clearly not aware of that since i made such a suggestion. in fact, i have absolutely no clue as to how you are working on the project. if you imagine 10-15 people hanging out and discussing about a subject, and then suddenly some moron shows up who has no idea what he's talking about, just thinking that he knows everything, i'm that moron in this case, hence the ,i suppose, moderately missplaced examples. I still stand by my point that thugs and wreckers are weak, at least for RPVE. Maybe Thugs are strong, maybe wrecker is too, but my point was not "this 1 card that i like so much is wea