can you pls use the enter key... its extremely hard to read such awall of text. he was just saying that the advantage you can gain by cliffing is to high for the risk you take. And yes you can counter everything but if the skill and risks you need take to use a certain strategy is in no comparison to the skill and risks the opponent player needs to take to counter, it is unbalanced. and thats the exact case with cliffing. obviously im not on the highest pvp level however i followed a lot of discussions about this on the old forum and i think my overall game understandatement is well enough to get the main points of it. The majority of players that took part in that discussions( it was 98% high elo) had the opinion that the risk-reward balance is in no comparison for cliffing.