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I only played this matchup once as the nature player and once as the fire/frost since beta (both rare faction to see), but I saw parasite swarm against drake quite a few times and it never work. If nature player use oink, you can double erupt. Because parasite swarm animation is so slow, you have plenty of time (giving you a small 5 power advantage). If nature player doesn't have the power to oink, you can hit once with drake+eruption (giving you a 25 power advantage). Ofc spirit hunter+parasite doesn't work either because of ravage and shield. Even if you screwup and nature gets a drake, you have shielded drake to easily deal with it, so it's not even a big deal. Early attack from nature with burrower+CC is easy to counter with stormsinger+frostbite. Samething with energy parasite. I played nature vs pure fire a lot in the 120'000 elo range (I used to main pure nature and pure fire is very common). Even if the pure fire's trade aren't 100% efficient, a good fire player never let me repair my well and will eventualy get it down. If I could repair, it cost 100-150 power which would easily end the game. Some map with a lot of cliff dancer spot are auto lose like yrmia. Maybe I just need to get good. I need to see replays of two equality good player. @Kubik Sorry for ping. Do you have the win rate for specific pvp matchup like pure nature vs pure fire? For me I think it was around 20:80.

L units and air control is the only thing keeping pure fire from face rolling every matchup. Even with that in mind pure fire is still in the top 3 pvp deck. I agree there are problem with pure fire. Some matchup it is too strong (nature and amii) and in others, too weak (frost, but only in t2 and fire frost). I don't think trying to balance cards on their own is good idea. Instead, looking at cards as part of a deck give a better idea what the repercussion of this change would be. Does stromsinger needs a nerf in pure frost? No, it's a good card, but not mandatory at all. A nerf here doesn't affect pure frost. ... frost fire? No, it's a core card to an already weak deck, but this nerf shouldn't hurt much. ... stonekin? Yes, If stonekin's t1 become usable (phase tower nerf, semi swift unit for t1 frost), stonekin could become too strong. I think this could be a good change here. ... lost soul? Yes, It could be a good idea here as well. It would help twilight without affecting lost soul's weaker matchup (pure fire) too much. Tbh, I was against the nerf at first, but the more I think about it, the more I like it. Fire frost would need a little something to compensate. Yes, the card is strong, but is pure nature too strong? Honestly, pure nature is competing with bandit for worst pvp faction. What's the point of this change? Is deep one causing problem in any pure nature matchup? Just to show how silly this idea is, lets look at deep one in every pure nature matchup: Pure frost: Well balanced matchup already. We should try to keep it that way. Deep one isn't a big factor here. Fire frost: Bad matchup for nature. Nature lose in t1 and t3. T2 is bit more even, but still hard for nature who can't deal with drake (double eruption is an efficient counter to oink+parasite). Deep one isn't a big factor here. Stonekin: Deep one is bad here. Lost soul: Bad matchup for nature. Nature lose in t1 and t3. Deep one is bad here, because of nightguard. Pure fire: Insanely bad matchup for nature. Deep one is the only card that give nature a glimmer of hope in this matchup. Fire nature: About 40:60 in favor of fire nature. DO is great in late t2, but not an oppressive card by any mean. Bandit: 50:50 matchup. For nature it's all about cc and burrower. DO is irrelevant. Amii: Very bad matchup for nature. DO isn't playable, because of nightguard. Even without it (in theory, because amii always has nightguard), amii has the tool to deal with DO. Pure nature: DO is irrelevant. In conclusion, this change has no effect for most matchup or makes hard ones even more one sided. Every faction has the tool to deal with DO in it's current state. If you want to change nature, first look at SoM and energy parasite. They really limit the design space with pure nature. Then, give nature proper M counter. Finally, if DO+heal overshadow going t3 for pure nature like it is now (this is only true because of SoM and pure nature t3 isn't great), consider buffing nature t3. I like the idea. This make nature t3 the most diverse. But now we have to balance t4 for pvp. All the good t4 I can think of: 400 power construct, 350 power ice tornado, 250 power incubator?, 270 power kobold inc with MoK?, 390 power LSS, 390 power bloodhorn (probably the best option), 400 worldbreaker gun. All the other suggestion I like. Hopefully we can see some of them in game one day.

I have this proposal: + Amii now grant 4 of every orb, instead of a single orb. + Amii can be played on t1, instead of t3. Make amii give 4 of every orbs on t1 for the ultimate enriched experience. It will create loads of options for possible decks and strategies that would straight up not exist without this change. It can be argued that it overshadows alternatives, but it does not remove a single one. Strictly speaking it would be a purely enriching change as far as possibilities go. What are we waiting for? Edit: The flaw in this reasoning is that overshadowing alternatives (even if it doesn't remove them) does matter. We can't balance anything without reference.

Trading 200 temporary power disadvantage for a permanent 80 power advange is still pretty good. This card has 0 interactivity. You use it and will always drop a well. Only thing to do is try to drop a well in exchange. Personally, even if I drop a well, it still feel sour that I had to do all that work to accomplish what my opponent did in 1 click. Basicly curse well allow you to win while staying on the deffence. It's cancer and should be reworked/removed.

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I like amii getting nerf, but I wish you did more. Look how superior amii is on nightmare's end for example. You're player 1 and just finished taking over the bottom base to secure t3 which you now have to defend along with your t1. After that fight, your t2 army is in pretty bad shape. You have two options to get t4: 1: Make a t3 army and take over the top base. Build your t4 monument and defend it. T3 army cost 500-800 power with spells (90% refunded) and 2-3 deck slots. Monument is 300 power. Defence is 300-500 binded power. Totaling about 800 lost power, 2 deck slots and a whole lot of time. 2: Put down amii monument. Totaling 325 binded power, 1 deck slot and 30 seconds. Now I know there are many way to do this map better. You could take your teammate's t2 and go straight to t4, you could defend your monument and the power shrine with one defence, etc. The example above is what an average joe would do. I don't think amii should cost 800 power. Maybe it should do something else entirely. An idea I saw on discord was to make amii t4 and cheaper, so it could be used as a 5th orb and orb swapping, opening many new possibilities.

It'll be complete trash. Make the void to shield rate 5'000%, absorb 100% and reduce the cooldown to 45 seconds and it may see some play. If we compare it with it's closest competitor (stone shell + regrowth) it's still not impressive. Shrine of martyrs: Cost: 125 binded power + lets say 500 void power (need to keep that number high). Effect: 5000 hp shield on 5 units, or 4170 shield on 6 units, or 3570 shield on 7 units, etc... Other: You can't tell when the shield is about to break and you have to keep track of one more cooldown which people who play more than one frost orb (also known as noobs) may have trouble doing. Stone shell + regrowt: Cost: 210 power that you can get back from void immediately (to be fair, void manipulation needs a nerf). Effect: immortality edit: added CoLoR

I would love if everyone got the same quest everyday. For example: win Blight expert (100 bfp). That way it incentivise playing different map and we can find people to play these maps even with our smallish community.

How do you get the bfp for the prize pool?

Isn't Uro also a nightmare for frost? By the time frost get to its first well the other factions have already taken theirs and are attacking frost's starting wells. Even if the opponent doesn't attack, frost is 10-30 power behind. How does frost even attack on this map?

Same here. I would vote for: -Wazhai/Yrmia and +random map. Make nature t1 great again (and frost too, but who cares?)

Of course. Rpve is the best way to farm gold, if you don't have a friend to do cpve speedrun. Pvp only give pocket change. Rpve 20 000 gold/hour. Cpve speedrun 40 000 gold/hour. Ranked pvp 3 000 gold/hour, if you are Radicalx and have 100% win rate. 2 250 gold/hour with 50% win rate. Tldr: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Right now, I assume we have something like this: "convert x card (Enlightenment) to y gold (3500 gold) when z condition is met (player who got the upgrade already has it)". The way I see it, you would only have to remove the condition to give gold all the times. But, this is just a wild guess and you know way more than me on how hard it is to implement. It would only double the reward for the first few times you complete the map. Keep in mind that doing multiple different cpve map will require multiple upgraded decks and learning multiple strategy to complete the map in a reasonable time. If you think cpve give too much gold, you can still implement my suggestion, but lower the disenchant reward of upgrades. I agree that cpve is by far the best place to farm gold, but only if you have friends to speedrun one of the 4 maps that reward up to 90 000 gold/hour. Most cpve map reward is on par or lower than rpve 9. For the majority of people, cpve isn't efficient to farm for upgrades/gold. It's only there to have fun and aint nobody got time for that. For example, when I do casual 20-30 minutes Bad harvest expert with strangers, I can expect 2 000 gold. I could've done 9 500 gold in that time with rpve. The big issue I have with cpve is that new player not only make the map harder/slower(I'm fine with that. I like a challenge.), but also decrease the reward at the end. You can carry 3 new players that have lvl 10 decks on bad harvest expert, but don't expect more than 1000 gold at the end. Btw, I really appreciate what you've done with battleforge. I'm only arguing because I think it could be even better.

At the time of writing this, there are 3 main ways to farm gold: If you don't have friends: Grind 4 players rpve with strangers. Average 20 000 gold/hour. If you don't have friends and hate yourself: Grind "The soultree" over and over again. Average 22 000 gold/hour. If you have a friend or more: Grind the same cpve map (usualy "The gun of lyr" or "Bad harvest") over and over again. Average 40 000 gold/hour. The reasons why this is: Playing with stranger is a gamble. They might not know how to play the map and might not have the upgrades the map grant, thus reducing the reward at the end. Playing different cpve map is disincentivized, as you often have to buy and upgrade a different deck for each. As well as learn each map. Most cpve map don't have a good enough reward. Best farming gold per hour rate by DJ_Blyatman. My suggestions: 1) When winning a cpve map, each player gain the gold from the upgrades. Even if the upgrades are not duplicate. Pros: -Incentivise playing different maps, as the reward is bigger the less time you have played the map. (You gain both gold and upgrade early on, but only gold latter on.) -Doesn't decentivise playing with new player that don't have all the upgrades already. -Reward is more equal between players. No more one player gain Havester u3 while everyone else gain pocket change. -Easy to implement. Cons: - 2) Two cpve maps of week with 25% gold boost. One for a random 2 or 4 players map and one for a random single player map. Pros: -Incentivise playing different maps, but not always the one you want to play. -Merge the community on the maps of the week. (Faster to find a group.) Cons: -Unnecessary work, if suggestion #1 is implemented.

From first to fourth row: Gold/hour, if all players already have the upgrades. Doesn't include chests. Average gold per match. Single player map give 2 cards and multiplayer map give 4 cards, unless done solo. Average time per match. Based on the faster speedrun plus 2 minutes, unless the map is on a set timer. Degree of difficulty. Based on my experience of the speedrun I have tried. Spreadsheet format in the source below. [gold per hour] = [average gold per expert match from disenchant] * 60 / [fastest speedrun afaik] + 2 Ranked PvP 3000 - Gold/hour 500 - Average gold per match 10 - Average time per match Hard - Degree of difficulty Edit: The Guns of Lyr = Medium (Very good farming spot) King of the Giants = Easy Sunbridge = Easy (Decent gold if you can't do The Guns of Lyr) Sources: All-time fastest speedrun rankings by MephistoRoss Skylords Reborn Official Loot List - Upgrade Drops per Map (with color) by MrXLink and modified by DJ_Blyatman Skylords Reborn Gold Rates by DJ_Blyatman

I added color, so you can tell what scenario are the most rewarding. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1huQBQkVfSLVmF-5S0QmtN6UyjhEgmbkEBoRW--Ns5jY/edit?usp=sharing

How popular was pvp in old times? I doubt there were many f2p pvp player.

I agree that collecting card is part of the fun, up to a point. What I would like to bring attention to is that "chase" or "hunt" cards are also necessary pvp card. Futhermore, before you can play pvp you need a pve deck with upgrades to farm gold and daily quest. Together this is gating pvp behind hours of grind.

When the devs are able to fix the multiaccounting problem, supply will be lower. I've heard of someone creating 59 accounts for the 2 starting boosters.

When you sell your Shaman for an Harvester, something is wrong. Some notable cards include: Common: Windweavers 150 bfp Forsaken, Sunstriders, Master Archers 30+ bfp Uncommon: Coldsnap 450 bfp Shaman 900 bfp Skyfire Drake 200 bfp Frost Mage 500 bfp Root 250 bfp Lyrish Knight, Burrower, Darkelf Assassins 100+ bfp Rare: Hurricane 250 bfp Motivate 150 bfp Home Soil 400 bfp For example, a relatively cheap deck like fire-nature is going to cost about 3000 bfp for the essential. What do you think?

I'm big fan. Are you gonna make more video when you can play the game? Edit: Doubt you're the real FarRockBF thought.

Last time I've heard from the dev, nobody could login, not even the dev.

Worms have the stats I would expect on a flying unit. Why are they so bad? Anyway, I choose Core Dredge, but I don't see when I would play that over Tremor.

White Ranger's real stats are: 440M/990S, 70e, ability does 900 dps for 25e I think. Defenders: 540L/810S, 70e, ability give 70% dr and steadfast for 10e. Stormsinger: 577M/750M, swift, 60e, ability does gravity surge for 30e. If your intention is to siege with White Ranger ( I don't see why you would considering you have War Eagle and Mountaineer already), then Defenders are better (2700hp when in their stance and basically immortal with shield support. They may not do a lot of damage, but they can keep at it for a very long time). If your intention is to use White Ranger as a M counter, then their low dps, vulnerability to cc and slow movement speed will give lackluster result. You should maybe substitute them for Stormsinger. At the same time, you can save a deck slot on Gravity Surge and use it for Skyelf Templar. You are going to need air control for War Eagle as they can't attack air. Just my grain of salt. Apart from what RadicalX pointed out, it seem like a good deck. I wouldn't want to be matched against it, if I was playing pure fire (War Eagle+Mountaineer is going to hurt).

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